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Thanks for that. Maybe I will try again some time. I'm not saying it is impossible, rather that it is hard work compared to e.g. python. I recall looking thr
by bainsfather 12y ago
Thanks for that. Maybe I will try again some time.
I'm not saying it is impossible, rather that it is hard work compared to e.g. python. I recall looking through a few promising google results and finding e.g. that the library is no longer maintained, has bits missing etc. With python, when I use e.g. beautiful soup, it just works - I lose almost no time getting setup. When doing a project that needs many external libraries, that makes a big difference.
e.g. the first item on http://www.cliki.net/GUI http://www.cliki.net/GUI has its last news item from 2007, and the mailing list gives 'not found'. But there is a new(er) github page with the comment "I cleaned up the library just in case I needed GUI in Lisp, but it turned out that I did not. Hence, the primary extent of my testing is running test-gtk:gtk-demo application. Bug reports and/or patches are welcome."
Since the parent was talking about ecosystems etc, I thought my experiences were worth mentioning - "Python novice uses python to get stuff done" but "CL novice gets lost in old/unmaintained libraries, gives up and sticks with c++ & python".
I mean no disrespect to the people who write these libraries etc., I am just describing what I found as a novice in CL.
- lispm 12y agoMany people who actually write GUI software in Lisp use one of the commercial offerings, typically either LispWorks and Allegro CL. That's one of their advantages: they offer maintained and cross platform GUI libraries. One can for example also use Clozure CL for advanced GUI stuff, but that is best on the Mac. For example http://opusmodus.com http://opusmodus.com is a composition software using Clozure CL. Other composition environments are written with LispWorks: PWGL, OpenMusic, Symbolic Composer, ScoreCloud. http://www2.siba.fi/PWGL/ http://www2.siba.fi/PWGL/ http://repmus.ircam.fr/openmusic/home http://repmus.ircam.fr/openmusic/home http://www.symboliccomposer.com http://www.symboliccomposer.com http://scorecloud.com http://scorecloud.com
- bainsfather 12y agoThanks for the info. I just had a quick look at Clozure CL - as you say, the main Gui library is for apple. The other gui library is labelled 'under development' but also 'last modified: 6 years ago' :( I wonder whether the (I'm told) good commercial lisp offerings have hampered lisp adoption, in that people who use lisp a lot, pay for commercial offerings, leaving the free stuff less used and maintained? Then newcomers, who don't want to pay to do hobby projects in a new language, are discouraged by the less maintained free stuff.
- lispm 12y agohttp://www.crategus.com/books/cl-cffi-gtk/ http://www.crategus.com/books/cl-cffi-gtk/ http://www.crategus.com/books/cl-gtk/gtk-tutorial.html#SEC_Top http://www.crategus.com/books/cl-gtk/gtk-tutorial.html#SEC_T... https://github.com/crategus/cl-cffi-gtk https://github.com/crategus/cl-cffi-gtk