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> Friendly relations is a prerequisite for compromise which is a prerequisite for progress. Ask a professional diplomat whether this idea is true. Israelis and
by lutusp 12y ago
> Friendly relations is a prerequisite for compromise which is a prerequisite for progress.
Ask a professional diplomat whether this idea is true. Israelis and Palestinians achieve compromises all the time -- they're fragile and short-lived, but they're certainly compromises.
Unions and management come to compromises regularly, after sometimes bloody demonstrations (in the early days of the organized labor movement).
In a now-famous story from 1943 Berlin, a group of wives of Jewish men protested and demonstrated against the regime's plan to round up and exterminate their husbands. Because the demonstration took place in Berlin, because of its size and international visibility, and because the wives were not themselves Jewish, the Nazis reached a compromise -- the men were released.
Reference: http://nvdatabase.swarthmore.edu/content/german-wives-win-release-their-jewish-husbands-rosenstrasse-protest-1943 http://nvdatabase.swarthmore.edu/content/german-wives-win-re...
Quote: "As the women continued to protest at Rosenstrasse into March 6, the German leadership finally gave in, even as 25 of the intermarried Jews were being deported to Auschwitz. The Nazi Propaganda Minister, Goebbels released the remaining intermarried Jews in an attempt to maintain the visage of conformity in Berlin. The protests of Aryan women against the internment of their Jewish husbands had shown open dissent to the Nazi program and for Goebbels (with Hitler’s approval), it was more important to eliminate this dissent by releasing those Jews than to allow such dissent to be visible to other Germans or international bodies. Thirty-five intermarried Jews that had already been sent to Auschwitz were also returned. While twenty-five of the detainees were not released, thirty-five intermarried Jews that had already been sent to Auschwitz were also returned to Berlin."
> Friendly relations is a prerequisite for compromise ...
In reality, this is proven false every day.
> Your belief is very ignorant and US-centric.
Your ignorance of both current events and history is embarrassing.
- coriny 12y agoThough I think he is correct that politics does not need to be antagonistic to prevent "politicians running rampant with power". Plenty of democracies use more collaborative politics than the USA (e.g. the Polder model of democracy in the netherlands). And I think most people would agree that the US republicans & democrats could engage more constructively while maintaining ideologically distinct positions (and not turning the country into a single party fascist state).
- lutusp 12y ago> I think most people would agree that the US republicans & democrats could engage more constructively while maintaining ideologically distinct positions ... Yes, absolutely. My point was that compromise doesn't require that the parties share values or show mutual respect -- history proves otherwise.
- tormeh 12y agoDude, those are really good examples! I will reconsider my opinion immediately! Not. How do you even write that shit with a straight face?
- lutusp 12y agoWhich of the uncontroversial historical facts I posted is causing you the most personal anguish?
- tormeh 12y agoMy problem is that while they fit the literal definition of compromise, they don't really achieve much. Those are barely ceasefires, and not much progress. So compromise without friendly relations does exist, it just really really sucks. The spirit of my criticism still stands.
- lutusp 12y ago> My problem is that while they fit the literal definition of compromise, they don't really achieve much. Compared to what? The OP's contention was that "Friendly relations is a prerequisite for compromise". I proved that false. You're now changing the subject. > So compromise without friendly relations does exist, it just really really sucks. So the wives of the doomed Jewish men getting back their husbands really, really sucked? You need to learn a bit of history -- it's replete with valuable compromises between antagonistic parties.