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Yeah, so awesome. 729 whales so far, tell me again how awesome they are. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/norway-kills-729-whales-in-record-year-

Yeah, so awesome. 729 whales so far, tell me again how awesome they are. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/norway-kills-729-whales-in-record-year-for-hunt-but-demand-failing-for-meat-9689466.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/norway-kills-...

sleepyhead 12y ago
What is the problem? These whales are not near extinction like some whales outside Japan. The allowed quota for whales each year is strictly regulated by Norway which is one of the most environmental states in the world (yes we have lots of oil feel free to point out the double standard there). The killing itself is in most cases instant. If you care about how animals are treated you should be much more disgusted at how chicken are raised and their living conditions. The whale lives a happy life until it is killed. Oh and whale meat is delicious.
wjk 12y ago
That's just sensationalist clickbait. The whale species hunted are not endangered and there is no ban on hunting these whales. There are many species of creatures which actually are and which you should spend more time caring about though. These whales are not among them.
- tomelders 12y ago
  So Norway isn't violating a whaling ban?
  - perbu 12y ago
    Yes. They are. However, the IWC resolution to ban whaling is not binding. It's advisory and in my opinion not based on facts but feelings.
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      - jonpacker 12y ago
        Minke whales are not in any way endangered (or close to it). Check your facts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minke_whale https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minke_whale
        tomelders 12y ago
        Yet. I take the view that the human race should only be harvesting things it really needs. The case for whaling (that I'm aware of) seems pretty weak. And if Norway did sign up to protect marine wildlife in exchange for oil rights (I'm taking that at face value at the moment) then it does seem like a jerk move to take the oil and not protect the whales.
        eropple 12y ago
        "Protect marine wildlife" is not the same thing as "ban harvesting of a species that is not endangered."
        tomelders 12y ago
        This is where we part company. My belief is that they are. It is my view that the end result of "protecting wildlife" should be that the wildlife flourishes.
      - sgt 12y ago
        Whaling is a tradition in Norway and has been going on since medieval times. More information: http://www.fisheries.no/ecosystems-and-stocks/marine_stocks/mammals/whales/whaling/#.U_x-iFOSzR0 http://www.fisheries.no/ecosystems-and-stocks/marine_stocks/... In my view, whalers are decent people - they generally aren't "jerks". You probably have never even talked to nor met any one of them. I understand your point that hunting and farming of animals in general is not good, but it's a pretty hard habit to break. This is how the world works at this time - people hunt all sort of animals whether it's ethically right or not. Also remember that of all the meat produced in this world, whale meat is but a tiny fraction of it, so perhaps spend more of your time protesting the way fish is treated (which is also a valid concern).
  - wjk 12y ago
    There is no law which bans it. Just an agreement among several countries which Norway isn't a part of as far as I know.
    - tomelders 12y ago
      Fair enough. Although I personally would prefer it if whales were left alone.
      - clarky07 12y ago
        why? they aren't endangered, people like to eat them. why is a whale different from say a deer?
    - sanoli 12y ago
      Yep, just like the Kyoto Protocol. (no sarcasm, just pointing out that he's right, and that most people also think every nation is bound by the Kyoto Protocol)
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sleepyhead 12y ago

What is the problem? These whales are not near extinction like some whales outside Japan. The allowed quota for whales each year is strictly regulated by Norway which is one of the most environmental states in the world (yes we have lots of oil feel free to point out the double standard there). The killing itself is in most cases instant. If you care about how animals are treated you should be much more disgusted at how chicken are raised and their living conditions. The whale lives a happy life until it is killed. Oh and whale meat is delicious.

wjk 12y ago

That's just sensationalist clickbait. The whale species hunted are not endangered and there is no ban on hunting these whales. There are many species of creatures which actually are and which you should spend more time caring about though. These whales are not among them.

tomelders 12y ago
So Norway isn't violating a whaling ban?
- perbu 12y ago
  Yes. They are. However, the IWC resolution to ban whaling is not binding. It's advisory and in my opinion not based on facts but feelings.
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    - jonpacker 12y ago
      Minke whales are not in any way endangered (or close to it). Check your facts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minke_whale https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minke_whale
      - tomelders 12y ago
        Yet. I take the view that the human race should only be harvesting things it really needs. The case for whaling (that I'm aware of) seems pretty weak. And if Norway did sign up to protect marine wildlife in exchange for oil rights (I'm taking that at face value at the moment) then it does seem like a jerk move to take the oil and not protect the whales.
        eropple 12y ago
        "Protect marine wildlife" is not the same thing as "ban harvesting of a species that is not endangered."
        tomelders 12y ago
        This is where we part company. My belief is that they are. It is my view that the end result of "protecting wildlife" should be that the wildlife flourishes.
    - sgt 12y ago
      Whaling is a tradition in Norway and has been going on since medieval times. More information: http://www.fisheries.no/ecosystems-and-stocks/marine_stocks/mammals/whales/whaling/#.U_x-iFOSzR0 http://www.fisheries.no/ecosystems-and-stocks/marine_stocks/... In my view, whalers are decent people - they generally aren't "jerks". You probably have never even talked to nor met any one of them. I understand your point that hunting and farming of animals in general is not good, but it's a pretty hard habit to break. This is how the world works at this time - people hunt all sort of animals whether it's ethically right or not. Also remember that of all the meat produced in this world, whale meat is but a tiny fraction of it, so perhaps spend more of your time protesting the way fish is treated (which is also a valid concern).
- wjk 12y ago
  There is no law which bans it. Just an agreement among several countries which Norway isn't a part of as far as I know.
  - tomelders 12y ago
    Fair enough. Although I personally would prefer it if whales were left alone.
    - clarky07 12y ago
      why? they aren't endangered, people like to eat them. why is a whale different from say a deer?
  - sanoli 12y ago
    Yep, just like the Kyoto Protocol. (no sarcasm, just pointing out that he's right, and that most people also think every nation is bound by the Kyoto Protocol)
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