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So basically they got big enough that they had to start taking copyright seriously, then users switch to other services causing them to grow....

by jiggy2011 12y ago

valarauca1 12y ago
The issue wasn't so much that, they were taking copyright seriously. Its how they handled taking copyright seriously. Their practice was Draconian, even if the streamer owned the copy right, they still have to appeal to have their content posted. Even twitch took down their own videos explain how this system works, due to copyrighted music. This has been going on for >2 weeks without much change.
- jiggy2011 12y ago
  Isn't this similar to youtube? It seems that all services end of with draconian policies when they get big enough.
  - crazypyro 12y ago
    The difference is YouTube is on at least a couple magnitudes larger scale. Furthermore, YouTube doesn't create content and host that, it only hosts the content, allowing for a much easier way to share copy-written material. On Twitch, the things they are muting are recorded videos of streams of their own site. Note the difference here. There's not an easy way to take say a movie and upload it to twitch VoDs in a reasonable amount of time. Lastly, the entire VoD is muted, even if its background music, game music, etc. and most of the time the key sound element is the streamer himself/herself, which is completely lost with muting system. Also why can they not just respond to DMCA requests? There is nothing that has been shown that they are receiving an inordinate amount of DMCA requests that would be impossible to handle with a more refined approach.
- kencausey 12y ago
  I think it must be clarified that only archived videos (often referred to as VODs) are affected by the copyright music detection. Live streaming is not affected in any way currently. This is relevant because viewing of VODs is quite rare on Twitch (I say this as someone who almost exclusively views VODs on Twitch so as to regain time control.) The Twitch streamers I'm aware of are not that bothered because they consider their streams ephemeral and aren't concerned by the archived copies. Any streamer who feels differently can save their content locally and upload to Youtube or other such service. Of course Youtube also has issues with copyrighted content. Another disclaimer: I stream on Twitch occasionally and post much of my streamed content to Youtube.

So basically they got big enough that they had to start taking copyright seriously, then users switch to other services causing them to grow....

valarauca1 12y ago

The issue wasn't so much that, they were taking copyright seriously. Its how they handled taking copyright seriously. Their practice was Draconian, even if the streamer owned the copy right, they still have to appeal to have their content posted. Even twitch took down their own videos explain how this system works, due to copyrighted music. This has been going on for >2 weeks without much change.

jiggy2011 12y ago
Isn't this similar to youtube? It seems that all services end of with draconian policies when they get big enough.
- crazypyro 12y ago
  The difference is YouTube is on at least a couple magnitudes larger scale. Furthermore, YouTube doesn't create content and host that, it only hosts the content, allowing for a much easier way to share copy-written material. On Twitch, the things they are muting are recorded videos of streams of their own site. Note the difference here. There's not an easy way to take say a movie and upload it to twitch VoDs in a reasonable amount of time. Lastly, the entire VoD is muted, even if its background music, game music, etc. and most of the time the key sound element is the streamer himself/herself, which is completely lost with muting system. Also why can they not just respond to DMCA requests? There is nothing that has been shown that they are receiving an inordinate amount of DMCA requests that would be impossible to handle with a more refined approach.
kencausey 12y ago
I think it must be clarified that only archived videos (often referred to as VODs) are affected by the copyright music detection. Live streaming is not affected in any way currently. This is relevant because viewing of VODs is quite rare on Twitch (I say this as someone who almost exclusively views VODs on Twitch so as to regain time control.) The Twitch streamers I'm aware of are not that bothered because they consider their streams ephemeral and aren't concerned by the archived copies. Any streamer who feels differently can save their content locally and upload to Youtube or other such service. Of course Youtube also has issues with copyrighted content. Another disclaimer: I stream on Twitch occasionally and post much of my streamed content to Youtube.