5 ms·

Show HN: Find longtail keywords with low SEO competition

79 points by itrinity 12y ago

joshdance 12y ago
Can't make any searches for free without signing up?
- swah 12y ago
  Agreed - very uninviting flow. It would be better to ask for the email in the same page as the first search, or the infinitely better "enter email to save your search".
- michaelmior 12y ago
  > Why to sign up? As a registered user you will be able to perform more searches for free. No spam. Making you sign up is not unreasonable. But I find this text annoying. Yes I can perform "more" searches for free if I sign up, meaning more than zero.
  - dlhavema 12y ago
    right, a result of the quick change over to help not kill the servers or their/his wallet.. if you do keep this flow, re-evaluate the verbiage. I like the design and layout of the site though! maybe add a few more tool tips about what each column means. i know a little PPC terminology but not enough apparently..
    - michaelmior 12y ago
      Yeah, I assumed that might have been for the purposes of not lighting the server on fire, which is totally reasonable :)
- itrinity 12y ago
  This restriction is there just for the last 2 hours. You could do 5 analysis without any account before. The reason is that I got a huge traffic from HackerNews and the service was not prepared for such a big load and were (are) there many technical issues. I know, it is my bad but I really did not expect that people will love this service (concept) so much that it will go on #1 page on Hackernews.
  - joshdance 12y ago
    Makes sense. Would have been nice to put a note about that. Something like 'sorry, due to really high usage, you have to sign up for an account.' Just letting people know. Good luck!
emgeee 12y ago
Pretty cool site. I'm not the most familiar with the SEO landscape so some more quick tips would be useful. For example, I had to do some quick research to find out that the PR number is between 0-10 with 10 being the highest.
- bhartzer 12y ago
  I thought PR (PageRank) was pretty mainstream at this point. So much so that Google itself doesn't use it as major search engine ranking factor (at least as much as they used to).
Terpaholic 12y ago
This is absolutely amazing. Thank you for this! Could you talk a little bit more about what goes into the competition score?
- itrinity 12y ago
  Thanks for your opinion. SEO score is based on Google PageRank, CitationFlow (MajesticSEO), TrustFlow (MajesticSEO) and number of unique IPs linked to the page (MajesticSEO). This calculation is based on SEO competitiveness of the first 10 Google SERP results.
mladenkovacevic 12y ago
Really love the interface. It lays out the important information in a very concise and usable way.
bhartzer 12y ago
Running pretty slow for me, still waiting for the data after a few minutes...
- itrinity 12y ago
  Yes, I did not expect it will go on #1 page on HackerNews, there is really huge traffic right now and I try to fix this issue.
  - david_shaw 12y ago
    Well, congratulations on your unexpected success! :) It's a little hard to use right now, but the results I've managed to get are great so far. Nice work! May I ask what your eventual monetization strategy is (if any)? Ads? Subscriptions? Pay-per-use lookups?
fiatjaf 12y ago
I scrapped a lot of expressions (mostly based on verbs) from the Google Suggest in portuguese and made this kind-of keyword search service: http://nichos.alhur.es/ http://nichos.alhur.es/, but I don't like the results. They aren't very much inspiring. Can you give me some advice?
NhanH 12y ago
The top right side box is empty for me (not that the content is empty, but look white and just seems to be broken to me), and it's still loading after a while.
itry 12y ago
Hmm... "music" has a green SEO score. I would think "music" is not exactly a niche keyword, right? Probably because it has a PR0 page on top?
clickonchris 12y ago
I'd love to sign up and check it out but your signup page is using HTTP (no ssl), and I'd prefer not send a password over the internets in clear text. Throw some SSL on that baby and I'll come back.
- halcyondaze 12y ago
  So, use a password that doesn't compromise any of your accounts and try it.
- calgaryeng 12y ago
  Yeah this is kind of lazy...... Maybe just use something other than your bank password?
trg2 12y ago
This is really good.
aaron987 12y ago
Oh thank you! I've been looking for something like this. I know about Market Samauri, but that was slow and doesn't work in Linux. It was also very spammy. Your tool is a much nicer experience.
archemike_ 12y ago
I like the concept and would use this. The only issue is that the factors for competition are either low in the SEO ratio or the site's factors don't include very important facets of SEO therefore the tool isn't complete so you would be stuck with ok suggestions that require the same manual vetting afterwards.
RealGeek 12y ago
Neat tool, much easier and simpler than Google Keyword Planner. Where is the source of volume and PPC data? How accurate is it?
gingerlime 12y ago
I registered, tried a search term and got a blank screen. a couple more. Blank screen. Now I'm getting a "You are doing too much. Subscribe now and do more analysis"... UPDATE: also tried the chat, but received no answer. Maybe it's the HN effect.
- itrinity 12y ago
  Hello, I am sorry, http://kwfinder.com http://kwfinder.com hit #1 page on HackerNews and there is a really high load right now. We are fixing this issue. Sorry for this inconvenience.
  - cm2012 12y ago
    I also had the issue - no big deal though.
ohashi 12y ago
I have no idea what the color scheme means on SERPs listings. Numbers are obviously color coded... but I can't figure out any explanation as to what green vs red means.
- itrinity 12y ago
  Red color = High SEO competitiveness Green color = Low SEO competitiveness I will have to make it more clear, because many people are asking about it.
  - ohashi 12y ago
    I'm seeing it on the SERP results on the right hand side for number colors. See: http://i.imgur.com/v64bfWa.png http://i.imgur.com/v64bfWa.png
    - itrinity 12y ago
      There are multiple shades from green to red.
      - ohashi 12y ago
        So in this instance, is the color indicating how competitive the sites are for the term? in general? It's obviously a ranked list, so presumably they would be in descending order for that term.
nekitamo 12y ago
Nice! A similar tool with some tongue in cheek humor is: http://keywordshitter.com http://keywordshitter.com
spindritf 12y ago
What does the SEO difficulty score mean? Is it percentile? What is it?
- itrinity 12y ago
  It is a scale 0-100. The higher number, the more competitive keyword. The score is based on SEO competitiveness of the top 10 Google SERP pages.
deleted 12y ago
[deleted]
grinnick 12y ago
What's the min/max on the SEO rating? So far I've seen an 8 and a 10 but it could be out of 100 for all I know.
dools 12y ago
This is great. I used to use Market Samurai for this but it was slow as hell and then their SEO competition module broke altogether (presumably because of changes in the Google kw tool). Are you scraping Google kw planner directly or are you using a separate keyword database?
- itrinity 12y ago
  Directly. And it is a really big challenge :)
  - dools 12y ago
    Wow that's great! I'd been looking for another kw tool that wasn't relying on an externally built/maintained kw database. Well done, I'll be visiting with utmost frequency and paying the toll, sir.
imaginenore 12y ago
Wherever you're getting your data, it's not very good. There's absolutely no way "boudoir photography" is more popular than "wedding photography". Most people can't even spell "boudoir". http://i.imgur.com/SlVlngq.png http://i.imgur.com/SlVlngq.png
- mattpavelle 12y ago
  Dude, Rule 34. It is certainly possible.
michaelmior 12y ago
Anyone have any thoughts on how this compares with HitTail[0]? [0] https://hittail.com/ https://hittail.com/
- rwalling 12y ago
  HitTail uses the existing keywords people are using to find your site and automatically generates long tail suggestions for you each day or week (depending on your plan). It uses your proprietary keyword data to come up with more keywords your site is highly likely to rank for (low hanging fruit). It appears that KWFinder asks you to enter a phrase and provides a list of long tail keywords. So it's more similar to LongTailPro or the Google Keyword Planner than HitTail - meaning it pulls from a single database of keywords they have compiled or otherwise have access to pull ideas from.
Kluny 12y ago
The SEO person sitting next to me says that this doesn't appear to offer anything that Trends and AdWord tools already have. I'm not well enough informed to have an opinion, but can I ask (for their benefit) what differentiates this from those other tools?
sic1 12y ago
I am always uneasy when i see a site wanting any of my info to sign up and they don't have a privacy policy anywhere. I know you just built this thing, and wanted to share it - but you want my email address and a password, you need to tell me what you will or will not do with this information. "No spam." doesn't count as a privacy policy. For the record, I really would love to try this service out.

79 points by itrinity 12y ago

joshdance 12y ago

Can't make any searches for free without signing up?

swah 12y ago
Agreed - very uninviting flow. It would be better to ask for the email in the same page as the first search, or the infinitely better "enter email to save your search".
michaelmior 12y ago
> Why to sign up? As a registered user you will be able to perform more searches for free. No spam. Making you sign up is not unreasonable. But I find this text annoying. Yes I can perform "more" searches for free if I sign up, meaning more than zero.
- dlhavema 12y ago
  right, a result of the quick change over to help not kill the servers or their/his wallet.. if you do keep this flow, re-evaluate the verbiage. I like the design and layout of the site though! maybe add a few more tool tips about what each column means. i know a little PPC terminology but not enough apparently..
  - michaelmior 12y ago
    Yeah, I assumed that might have been for the purposes of not lighting the server on fire, which is totally reasonable :)
itrinity 12y ago
This restriction is there just for the last 2 hours. You could do 5 analysis without any account before. The reason is that I got a huge traffic from HackerNews and the service was not prepared for such a big load and were (are) there many technical issues. I know, it is my bad but I really did not expect that people will love this service (concept) so much that it will go on #1 page on Hackernews.
- joshdance 12y ago
  Makes sense. Would have been nice to put a note about that. Something like 'sorry, due to really high usage, you have to sign up for an account.' Just letting people know. Good luck!

emgeee 12y ago

Pretty cool site. I'm not the most familiar with the SEO landscape so some more quick tips would be useful. For example, I had to do some quick research to find out that the PR number is between 0-10 with 10 being the highest.

bhartzer 12y ago
I thought PR (PageRank) was pretty mainstream at this point. So much so that Google itself doesn't use it as major search engine ranking factor (at least as much as they used to).

Terpaholic 12y ago

This is absolutely amazing. Thank you for this! Could you talk a little bit more about what goes into the competition score?

itrinity 12y ago
Thanks for your opinion. SEO score is based on Google PageRank, CitationFlow (MajesticSEO), TrustFlow (MajesticSEO) and number of unique IPs linked to the page (MajesticSEO). This calculation is based on SEO competitiveness of the first 10 Google SERP results.

mladenkovacevic 12y ago

Really love the interface. It lays out the important information in a very concise and usable way.

bhartzer 12y ago

Running pretty slow for me, still waiting for the data after a few minutes...

itrinity 12y ago
Yes, I did not expect it will go on #1 page on HackerNews, there is really huge traffic right now and I try to fix this issue.
- david_shaw 12y ago
  Well, congratulations on your unexpected success! :) It's a little hard to use right now, but the results I've managed to get are great so far. Nice work! May I ask what your eventual monetization strategy is (if any)? Ads? Subscriptions? Pay-per-use lookups?

fiatjaf 12y ago

I scrapped a lot of expressions (mostly based on verbs) from the Google Suggest in portuguese and made this kind-of keyword search service: http://nichos.alhur.es/ http://nichos.alhur.es/, but I don't like the results. They aren't very much inspiring. Can you give me some advice?

NhanH 12y ago

The top right side box is empty for me (not that the content is empty, but look white and just seems to be broken to me), and it's still loading after a while.

itry 12y ago

Hmm... "music" has a green SEO score. I would think "music" is not exactly a niche keyword, right? Probably because it has a PR0 page on top?

clickonchris 12y ago

I'd love to sign up and check it out but your signup page is using HTTP (no ssl), and I'd prefer not send a password over the internets in clear text. Throw some SSL on that baby and I'll come back.

halcyondaze 12y ago
So, use a password that doesn't compromise any of your accounts and try it.
calgaryeng 12y ago
Yeah this is kind of lazy...... Maybe just use something other than your bank password?

trg2 12y ago

This is really good.

aaron987 12y ago

Oh thank you! I've been looking for something like this. I know about Market Samauri, but that was slow and doesn't work in Linux. It was also very spammy. Your tool is a much nicer experience.

archemike_ 12y ago

I like the concept and would use this. The only issue is that the factors for competition are either low in the SEO ratio or the site's factors don't include very important facets of SEO therefore the tool isn't complete so you would be stuck with ok suggestions that require the same manual vetting afterwards.

RealGeek 12y ago

Neat tool, much easier and simpler than Google Keyword Planner. Where is the source of volume and PPC data? How accurate is it?

gingerlime 12y ago

I registered, tried a search term and got a blank screen. a couple more. Blank screen. Now I'm getting a "You are doing too much. Subscribe now and do more analysis"... UPDATE: also tried the chat, but received no answer. Maybe it's the HN effect.

itrinity 12y ago
Hello, I am sorry, http://kwfinder.com http://kwfinder.com hit #1 page on HackerNews and there is a really high load right now. We are fixing this issue. Sorry for this inconvenience.
- cm2012 12y ago
  I also had the issue - no big deal though.

ohashi 12y ago

I have no idea what the color scheme means on SERPs listings. Numbers are obviously color coded... but I can't figure out any explanation as to what green vs red means.

itrinity 12y ago
Red color = High SEO competitiveness Green color = Low SEO competitiveness I will have to make it more clear, because many people are asking about it.
- ohashi 12y ago
  I'm seeing it on the SERP results on the right hand side for number colors. See: http://i.imgur.com/v64bfWa.png http://i.imgur.com/v64bfWa.png
  - itrinity 12y ago
    There are multiple shades from green to red.
    - ohashi 12y ago
      So in this instance, is the color indicating how competitive the sites are for the term? in general? It's obviously a ranked list, so presumably they would be in descending order for that term.

nekitamo 12y ago

Nice! A similar tool with some tongue in cheek humor is: http://keywordshitter.com http://keywordshitter.com

spindritf 12y ago

What does the SEO difficulty score mean? Is it percentile? What is it?

itrinity 12y ago
It is a scale 0-100. The higher number, the more competitive keyword. The score is based on SEO competitiveness of the top 10 Google SERP pages.

deleted 12y ago

[deleted]

grinnick 12y ago

What's the min/max on the SEO rating? So far I've seen an 8 and a 10 but it could be out of 100 for all I know.

dools 12y ago

This is great. I used to use Market Samurai for this but it was slow as hell and then their SEO competition module broke altogether (presumably because of changes in the Google kw tool). Are you scraping Google kw planner directly or are you using a separate keyword database?

itrinity 12y ago
Directly. And it is a really big challenge :)
- dools 12y ago
  Wow that's great! I'd been looking for another kw tool that wasn't relying on an externally built/maintained kw database. Well done, I'll be visiting with utmost frequency and paying the toll, sir.

imaginenore 12y ago

Wherever you're getting your data, it's not very good. There's absolutely no way "boudoir photography" is more popular than "wedding photography". Most people can't even spell "boudoir". http://i.imgur.com/SlVlngq.png http://i.imgur.com/SlVlngq.png

mattpavelle 12y ago
Dude, Rule 34. It is certainly possible.

michaelmior 12y ago

Anyone have any thoughts on how this compares with HitTail[0]? [0] https://hittail.com/ https://hittail.com/

rwalling 12y ago
HitTail uses the existing keywords people are using to find your site and automatically generates long tail suggestions for you each day or week (depending on your plan). It uses your proprietary keyword data to come up with more keywords your site is highly likely to rank for (low hanging fruit). It appears that KWFinder asks you to enter a phrase and provides a list of long tail keywords. So it's more similar to LongTailPro or the Google Keyword Planner than HitTail - meaning it pulls from a single database of keywords they have compiled or otherwise have access to pull ideas from.

Kluny 12y ago

The SEO person sitting next to me says that this doesn't appear to offer anything that Trends and AdWord tools already have. I'm not well enough informed to have an opinion, but can I ask (for their benefit) what differentiates this from those other tools?

sic1 12y ago

I am always uneasy when i see a site wanting any of my info to sign up and they don't have a privacy policy anywhere. I know you just built this thing, and wanted to share it - but you want my email address and a password, you need to tell me what you will or will not do with this information. "No spam." doesn't count as a privacy policy. For the record, I really would love to try this service out.