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It drives me nuts that I have to download Eclipse to write Python code (instead of using Visual Studio). I am on a mission, and my execs have made it clear to

It drives me nuts that I have to download Eclipse to write Python code (instead of using Visual Studio). I am on a mission, and my execs have made it clear to me that they are willing to invest in what I am doing, which is awesome. Phase one, start building some trust with the community, and that starts with listening to them. Since I am in the product group (and not our evangelism group), I have direct product and strategy responsibilty. It's a cool role, and I am looking forward to spending more time doing what I love, which is working with devs and hopefully finding ways to make them more productive.

mikeryan 17y ago
But you don't have to download Eclipse to write Python code. That's one of the things about open-source style projects. (granted that PyDev with Eclipse is the number one choice) But look at this list http://stackoverflow.com/questions/81584 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/81584 Many of the top ten are just simple text editors (maybe with dedicated plugins) This flexibility of choice is a huge distinction of most non-MS products. Even if you choose Eclipse, it makes for a single dedicated IDE for most open source languages and platforms out there. When I swtiched from Java to RoR dev I simply loaded the RadRails plugin (since switch to TextMate) and instantly knew my way around the IDE. Even for a company the size of Microsoft, building in that much support for alternatives will likely never match Eclipse in the IDE space.
Tichy 17y ago
Isn't there a Python.net or something? Is your gripe that Python should be supported by Visual Studio? Why did nobody write a Python plugin for VS yet? I suppose if you believe in it, you could do it in your spare time, or the 20% time (I know that's Google, but surely Microsoft has copied that model?). I think a lot of people who use Python don't even like "fat" IDEs like VS, though.
- BrandonWatson 17y ago
  Yes, we have IronPython (and IronRuby), and no it's not supported in VS. Don't get me started... =)

mikeryan 17y ago

But you don't have to download Eclipse to write Python code. That's one of the things about open-source style projects. (granted that PyDev with Eclipse is the number one choice) But look at this list http://stackoverflow.com/questions/81584 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/81584 Many of the top ten are just simple text editors (maybe with dedicated plugins) This flexibility of choice is a huge distinction of most non-MS products. Even if you choose Eclipse, it makes for a single dedicated IDE for most open source languages and platforms out there. When I swtiched from Java to RoR dev I simply loaded the RadRails plugin (since switch to TextMate) and instantly knew my way around the IDE. Even for a company the size of Microsoft, building in that much support for alternatives will likely never match Eclipse in the IDE space.

Tichy 17y ago

Isn't there a Python.net or something? Is your gripe that Python should be supported by Visual Studio? Why did nobody write a Python plugin for VS yet? I suppose if you believe in it, you could do it in your spare time, or the 20% time (I know that's Google, but surely Microsoft has copied that model?). I think a lot of people who use Python don't even like "fat" IDEs like VS, though.

BrandonWatson 17y ago
Yes, we have IronPython (and IronRuby), and no it's not supported in VS. Don't get me started... =)