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I do think that this is indeed closer to the pointy end of the stick when it comes to the ethical concerns of medical research, both for the trials involved and

I do think that this is indeed closer to the pointy end of the stick when it comes to the ethical concerns of medical research, both for the trials involved and the implications of the technology. The first I am more than willing to pay - I have no concern for the lives of laboratory test organisms and take a staunchly Utilitarian approach, justified by my privileged knowledge of the "greater good". The second, I am wary of becoming over invested in as humanities credit rating sucks in that department =S

aarongough 17y ago
I think that treating anything that can feel pain as a 'laboratory test organism' is the sort of thinking that leads to gross human rights abuses and de-humanization in general. There's not a huge gap between ignoring the screams of small animals/primates and ignoring the screams of another human. I'm by no means totally against animal testing, but I have to disagree strongly with your callous attitude toward the process. Animal testing should be done as humanely as possible.
- theblackbox 17y ago
  I don't disagree, it was a cold and calculated assessment of ethics, which, to be honest, I don't have a lot of time for in discussion. I find it much better for one to state outright what they abhor or condone and we can frame a discussion about something worthwhile from there. It's not a calous attitude but a sweeping attempt to discuss the finer points rather than the elephant in the room.
jodrellblank 17y ago
The first I am more than willing to pay I'm more than willing to buy a small country on your credit -- when it's not yours to offer it means nothing to say you are willing to pay it. privileged knowledge of the "greater good" You don't know the greater good, you define a greater good.
- theblackbox 17y ago
  Utilitarianism is a failed foundation for Ethics, as far as I am informed, as it relies on an infinite regress to find the initial act for instance (thus defining the "greater good"), or omniscience in order to be aware of all possible outcomes... thus knowing the greater good from some priveleged position EDIT: yes this may seem like an egotistical way of looking at it, but I'm trying to shirk the details and keep the feeling - even if that is mostly that I'm an opinionated dick... you may disagree, but that's the thing with opinions

aarongough 17y ago

I think that treating anything that can feel pain as a 'laboratory test organism' is the sort of thinking that leads to gross human rights abuses and de-humanization in general. There's not a huge gap between ignoring the screams of small animals/primates and ignoring the screams of another human. I'm by no means totally against animal testing, but I have to disagree strongly with your callous attitude toward the process. Animal testing should be done as humanely as possible.

theblackbox 17y ago
I don't disagree, it was a cold and calculated assessment of ethics, which, to be honest, I don't have a lot of time for in discussion. I find it much better for one to state outright what they abhor or condone and we can frame a discussion about something worthwhile from there. It's not a calous attitude but a sweeping attempt to discuss the finer points rather than the elephant in the room.

jodrellblank 17y ago

The first I am more than willing to pay I'm more than willing to buy a small country on your credit -- when it's not yours to offer it means nothing to say you are willing to pay it. privileged knowledge of the "greater good" You don't know the greater good, you define a greater good.

theblackbox 17y ago
Utilitarianism is a failed foundation for Ethics, as far as I am informed, as it relies on an infinite regress to find the initial act for instance (thus defining the "greater good"), or omniscience in order to be aware of all possible outcomes... thus knowing the greater good from some priveleged position EDIT: yes this may seem like an egotistical way of looking at it, but I'm trying to shirk the details and keep the feeling - even if that is mostly that I'm an opinionated dick... you may disagree, but that's the thing with opinions