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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-re... 7.6 per 1 billion

by smm2000 12y ago

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-re... 7.6 per 1 billion km in US against 6.3 per 1 billion km in France. I would say very comparable especially if you consider that more older/younger people drive in US than in France.

bosie 12y ago
regarding your second sentence... 11.6 (US) against 4.9 (France) per 100 000 inhabitants, from the same link.
- learc83 12y ago
  Yes per 100,000 inhabitants, but to determine driver safety the correct metric is fatalities per x unit of distance driven, which is what the GP was using. People in the US drive far more often than those in France, you'd expect for driving fatalities.
petercooper 12y ago
Meanwhile, 4.3 in the UK, a country demographically similar to France and where it's trivial to get a car and license. This makes me think the process of getting a license plays a big role in fatality rates, but more road quality, layout, better street furniture, signage, etc (which are all notably better in the UK than France).
- pyb 12y ago
  Not really, The difficulty of getting a license is similar in France and the UK (source : I did both)
  - petercooper 12y ago
    Since you've done both, are the parent article and other comments in this thread overemphasizing how difficult it is in France or did I just have a great experience here? I've done the test twice in the UK (auto + manual) - it wasn't arduous, nor did it take long to schedule (I think it was about 3 weeks out) and the computerised test was a case of picking the least stupid answer, unlike the riddles the parent article implies the French have to navigate.
    - pyb 12y ago
      The actual driving test is pretty much the same length and difficulty. (although I did the car test in France and the motorbike test in the UK) The French theory test needs a bit more preparation as more trick questions are asked. Also, the difference is perhaps, as far as I can remember, that French driving school offer more preparation to the theory test than is really required. In other words, they can keep you coming to the classroom until they are sure you will pass the theory...

by smm2000 12y ago

bosie 12y ago

regarding your second sentence... 11.6 (US) against 4.9 (France) per 100 000 inhabitants, from the same link.

learc83 12y ago
Yes per 100,000 inhabitants, but to determine driver safety the correct metric is fatalities per x unit of distance driven, which is what the GP was using. People in the US drive far more often than those in France, you'd expect for driving fatalities.

petercooper 12y ago

Meanwhile, 4.3 in the UK, a country demographically similar to France and where it's trivial to get a car and license. This makes me think the process of getting a license plays a big role in fatality rates, but more road quality, layout, better street furniture, signage, etc (which are all notably better in the UK than France).

pyb 12y ago
Not really, The difficulty of getting a license is similar in France and the UK (source : I did both)
- petercooper 12y ago
  Since you've done both, are the parent article and other comments in this thread overemphasizing how difficult it is in France or did I just have a great experience here? I've done the test twice in the UK (auto + manual) - it wasn't arduous, nor did it take long to schedule (I think it was about 3 weeks out) and the computerised test was a case of picking the least stupid answer, unlike the riddles the parent article implies the French have to navigate.
  - pyb 12y ago
    The actual driving test is pretty much the same length and difficulty. (although I did the car test in France and the motorbike test in the UK) The French theory test needs a bit more preparation as more trick questions are asked. Also, the difference is perhaps, as far as I can remember, that French driving school offer more preparation to the theory test than is really required. In other words, they can keep you coming to the classroom until they are sure you will pass the theory...