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German road police bullies Czech and Polish drivers a lot. 'Random' road control means that entire content of car ends up on the road. And while German society

by qwerta 12y ago

German road police bullies Czech and Polish drivers a lot. 'Random' road control means that entire content of car ends up on the road. And while German society is relatively open, you need fluent German language with NO ACCENT to be fully accepted, it is very far from US or UK.

jcbrand 12y ago
What does "fully accepted" mean? Where I live, there are a lot of immigrants and I hear non-native accents all the time. At JS meetups, in shops, trains, offices, all over the place. I'm in Germany and don't speak native-level German, and my impression is that the Germans are very open and tolerant to foreigners.
- qwerta 12y ago
  It is about long-term live. There is sort of glass-ceiling for emigrants in job promotion. And mostly older people are uncomfortable around people from post-soviet countries.
lispm 12y ago
> German road police bullies Czech and Polish drivers a lot. 'Random' road control means that entire content of car ends up on the road. Where I live, I have never seen that at all. Even then, if the police does not find anything, Czech and Polish drivers are perfectly fine to drive on German streets. Since they are in the EU, they can freely live and work in Germany - they just need to follow the usual German and EU laws. That's also not important in this context. Prostitutes from east european countries can easily move into Germany. It also does not matter if they speak German or not. Most speak enough German to be able to work here in their business. > And while German society is relatively open, you need fluent German language with NO ACCENT to be fully accepted, it is very far from US or UK. The is no requirement to have no foreign accent to live in Germany. The city where I live has around 13% population which doesn't have a German passport. That's the official numbers. Then add people who are living illegal and people who have passports from more than one country.
- oakaz 12y ago
  You must be a joke. Germany is where it's a casual thing to burn minorities alive. I'm not even talking about the holocaust; 2008: http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2008/02/fire-f12.html http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2008/02/fire-f12.html 1993: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solingen_arson_attack_of_1993 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solingen_arson_attack_of_1993 More: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Germany http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Germany And as a minority in Oakland, I feel like home and I know enough horror stories to avoid visiting Germany as long as I don't have a good reason.
  - qwerta 12y ago
    This is just total bullshit. Germany has 80+ millions people and what you referred are very isolated accidents. German Turks are doing MUCH better than any minority in America. And I am SICK of racist stereotypes about Germans. Yes their police does profiling and people from post-soviet get less promoted, but this also applies to East-Germans! What I was talking about is not racism, but sort of conservatism.
    - oakaz 12y ago
      Do you even ask that to the minorities or you just speak for them?
    - gambiting 12y ago
      Yeah I do not understand what is going on with HN today. Half of the comments here are showing Germans as some racists bastards with tight border controls - when the reality couldn't be further from the truth. And I am not even German.
      - oakaz 12y ago
        are you europen, american or middle eastern?
        gambiting 12y ago
IsTom 12y ago
Never seen that happen and we drive to visit our futher familiy there every other month.
lispm 12y ago
I read that the Ferguson police was mostly white. Seems that someone was not fully 'accepted'. Immigration from eastern europe makes a lot of people in the UK unhappy. http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-24924219 http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-24924219 http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/british-welcome-of-immigrants-wears-thin/2014/01/07/25f2b560-7568-11e3-bc6b-712d770c3715_story.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/british-welcome-o...
brodo 12y ago
German road police does also bullie young people in crappy cars alot. And long-haired man. And people with tattoos. If you've living in a country where the police does not do 'random' searches based on stereotypes, please tell me and i'll move there. gg The 'you need to speak without accent to be fully accepted' thing is also clearly wrong. I know lot's of examples for well integrated immigrants who don't speak without an accent and I bet every german who did not grew up on a farm in the middle of nowhere does know at least one immigrant from turkey.

by qwerta 12y ago

jcbrand 12y ago

What does "fully accepted" mean? Where I live, there are a lot of immigrants and I hear non-native accents all the time. At JS meetups, in shops, trains, offices, all over the place. I'm in Germany and don't speak native-level German, and my impression is that the Germans are very open and tolerant to foreigners.

qwerta 12y ago
It is about long-term live. There is sort of glass-ceiling for emigrants in job promotion. And mostly older people are uncomfortable around people from post-soviet countries.

lispm 12y ago

> German road police bullies Czech and Polish drivers a lot. 'Random' road control means that entire content of car ends up on the road. Where I live, I have never seen that at all. Even then, if the police does not find anything, Czech and Polish drivers are perfectly fine to drive on German streets. Since they are in the EU, they can freely live and work in Germany - they just need to follow the usual German and EU laws. That's also not important in this context. Prostitutes from east european countries can easily move into Germany. It also does not matter if they speak German or not. Most speak enough German to be able to work here in their business. > And while German society is relatively open, you need fluent German language with NO ACCENT to be fully accepted, it is very far from US or UK. The is no requirement to have no foreign accent to live in Germany. The city where I live has around 13% population which doesn't have a German passport. That's the official numbers. Then add people who are living illegal and people who have passports from more than one country.

oakaz 12y ago
You must be a joke. Germany is where it's a casual thing to burn minorities alive. I'm not even talking about the holocaust; 2008: http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2008/02/fire-f12.html http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2008/02/fire-f12.html 1993: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solingen_arson_attack_of_1993 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solingen_arson_attack_of_1993 More: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Germany http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Germany And as a minority in Oakland, I feel like home and I know enough horror stories to avoid visiting Germany as long as I don't have a good reason.
- qwerta 12y ago
  This is just total bullshit. Germany has 80+ millions people and what you referred are very isolated accidents. German Turks are doing MUCH better than any minority in America. And I am SICK of racist stereotypes about Germans. Yes their police does profiling and people from post-soviet get less promoted, but this also applies to East-Germans! What I was talking about is not racism, but sort of conservatism.
  - oakaz 12y ago
    Do you even ask that to the minorities or you just speak for them?
  - gambiting 12y ago
    Yeah I do not understand what is going on with HN today. Half of the comments here are showing Germans as some racists bastards with tight border controls - when the reality couldn't be further from the truth. And I am not even German.
    - oakaz 12y ago
      are you europen, american or middle eastern?
      - gambiting 12y ago

IsTom 12y ago

Never seen that happen and we drive to visit our futher familiy there every other month.

lispm 12y ago

I read that the Ferguson police was mostly white. Seems that someone was not fully 'accepted'. Immigration from eastern europe makes a lot of people in the UK unhappy. http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-24924219 http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-24924219 http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/british-welcome-of-immigrants-wears-thin/2014/01/07/25f2b560-7568-11e3-bc6b-712d770c3715_story.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/british-welcome-o...

brodo 12y ago

German road police does also bullie young people in crappy cars alot. And long-haired man. And people with tattoos. If you've living in a country where the police does not do 'random' searches based on stereotypes, please tell me and i'll move there. gg The 'you need to speak without accent to be fully accepted' thing is also clearly wrong. I know lot's of examples for well integrated immigrants who don't speak without an accent and I bet every german who did not grew up on a farm in the middle of nowhere does know at least one immigrant from turkey.