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I consider my phone to be my property. Typically, other people or corporations can't make changes to my property without my permission. I guess by "mobile infr

by tedks 12y ago

I consider my phone to be my property. Typically, other people or corporations can't make changes to my property without my permission. I guess by "mobile infrastructure" you can extend that to "every phone," in which case why not remotely remove programs from PCs as well? Why not just say outright that the coalition of your local government plus Apple/Microsoft own your computer, rather than you? I can't tell if you're being sarcastic and advocating free software, or openly advocating for autocratic computer systems management. (This is of course what RMS has been saying for literally decades, but for the people on HN who disagree with RMS, ... told you so.)

blazingfrog2 12y ago
> other people or corporations can't make changes to my property without my permission. IANAL but it seems you have given permission: Notwithstanding any other provision of this Agreement, Apple and its principals reserve the right to change, suspend, remove, or disable access to any App and Book Products, content, or other materials comprising a part of the App and Book Services at any time without notice. In no event will Apple be liable for making these changes. http://www.apple.com/legal/internet-services/itunes/us/terms.html http://www.apple.com/legal/internet-services/itunes/us/terms...
- judk 12y ago
  Tolerating is not the same as agreeing. There is no meaningful alternative to allowing app deletion.
  - arjie 12y ago
    If this is really a problem for you, here's a solution: 1. Get a Nexus phone. 2. Flash to a custom ROM. 3. Don't flash Google Apps. 4. Sideload APKs or use an alternative store. 5. Enjoy. The reason you can't have everything is that the app devs and most people prefer the store situation. If this is a particular problem for you, there will be sacrifices.
- Chronic29 12y ago
  This. If you don't want to give permissions to the apps on the app store. Feel free to use something else.
- tedks 12y ago
  Well, I use an Android phone, but regardless, I've never given anyone permission. Maybe in a legal sense someone could claim that, but that's irrelevant to what's actually happened. Stop letting game-riggers dictate your view of reality.
AndrewKemendo 12y ago
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic and advocating free software, or openly advocating for autocratic computer systems management I am basically saying that the market can support both but is trending toward user acceptance of the latter. All those EULAs out there are the agreements that make all this possible. If people rejected those terms then we wouldn't be in this pickle.

by tedks 12y ago

blazingfrog2 12y ago

> other people or corporations can't make changes to my property without my permission. IANAL but it seems you have given permission: Notwithstanding any other provision of this Agreement, Apple and its principals reserve the right to change, suspend, remove, or disable access to any App and Book Products, content, or other materials comprising a part of the App and Book Services at any time without notice. In no event will Apple be liable for making these changes. http://www.apple.com/legal/internet-services/itunes/us/terms.html http://www.apple.com/legal/internet-services/itunes/us/terms...

judk 12y ago
Tolerating is not the same as agreeing. There is no meaningful alternative to allowing app deletion.
- arjie 12y ago
  If this is really a problem for you, here's a solution: 1. Get a Nexus phone. 2. Flash to a custom ROM. 3. Don't flash Google Apps. 4. Sideload APKs or use an alternative store. 5. Enjoy. The reason you can't have everything is that the app devs and most people prefer the store situation. If this is a particular problem for you, there will be sacrifices.
Chronic29 12y ago
This. If you don't want to give permissions to the apps on the app store. Feel free to use something else.
tedks 12y ago
Well, I use an Android phone, but regardless, I've never given anyone permission. Maybe in a legal sense someone could claim that, but that's irrelevant to what's actually happened. Stop letting game-riggers dictate your view of reality.

AndrewKemendo 12y ago

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic and advocating free software, or openly advocating for autocratic computer systems management I am basically saying that the market can support both but is trending toward user acceptance of the latter. All those EULAs out there are the agreements that make all this possible. If people rejected those terms then we wouldn't be in this pickle.