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And where would we get our fruits and vegetables? And at what cost?

by itbeho 12y ago

sliverstorm 12y ago
You seem to view cheap year round access to fresh vegetables of all varieties as some kind of basic right. We are used to that luxury now, but a mere fifty years ago...
jfb 12y ago
We'd pay more. And? Out of season access to fresh fruits and veg is even more recent a development than dense human settlement in LA.
- declan 12y ago
  Yep. When I go to my neighborhood grocery store in the SF bay area, half of the fruits and vegetables tend to be arriving from Mexico or elsewhere in Latin America or Washington state already. The percentage is even higher in the off-season. Put another way: Where do Maine or Texas or Hawaii get fruits and vegetables that aren't local? (And why are we growing rice in drought conditions?) Also: desalination puts a floor on the cost of water for drinking purposes. Modern desalination techniques are very electricity-bound, though, in terms of cost.
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  - rdl 12y ago
    Alfalfa and other animal feed grown in CA due to senior water rights seems even crazy, even relative to California's baseline level of crazy. Whenever I see a restaurant (usually in the Central Valley) which has signs out that they don't serve water on the table by default due to the drought, it's hard to take anything seriously.
- danudey 12y ago
  Fittingly enough, Mexico has also been suffering a drought, meaning that our unlimited supply of out-of-season tomatoes, coupled with insufficient regulation, is causing huge problems for the general populace.
cynicalkane 12y ago
From other places, at a slightly higher cost. Most food Californians eat (or any American) doesn't come from there to start.
AnimalMuppet 12y ago
Would you rather have the rice, but not have any water to cook it in? Or to brush your teeth afterwards? In what sense is that better?
TowerGardens 12y ago
Wouldn't it be beautiful to see kids grow their own produce in a very fast, efficient way without herbicides or pesticides. Schools who have some of the best teachers throughout the United States are doing just that with www.TheTowerGardens.com it is an aeroponic/hydroponic system that allows you to grow vertically, so that you can grow a tremendous amount of produce in a small space. Tower Gardens grow fruits, vegetables, and herbs vertically with no soil, just air, water and food base minerals. Tower Garden™ is more nutritious than almost any conventional or organic produce commercially available. Grow in your backyard, year round, and “there is no weeding, tilling, kneeling, or getting dirty!

And where would we get our fruits and vegetables? And at what cost?

by itbeho 12y ago

And where would we get our fruits and vegetables? And at what cost?

You seem to view cheap year round access to fresh vegetables of all varieties as some kind of basic right. We are used to that luxury now, but a mere fifty years ago...

jfb 12y ago

We'd pay more. And? Out of season access to fresh fruits and veg is even more recent a development than dense human settlement in LA.

declan 12y ago
Yep. When I go to my neighborhood grocery store in the SF bay area, half of the fruits and vegetables tend to be arriving from Mexico or elsewhere in Latin America or Washington state already. The percentage is even higher in the off-season. Put another way: Where do Maine or Texas or Hawaii get fruits and vegetables that aren't local? (And why are we growing rice in drought conditions?) Also: desalination puts a floor on the cost of water for drinking purposes. Modern desalination techniques are very electricity-bound, though, in terms of cost.
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- rdl 12y ago
  Alfalfa and other animal feed grown in CA due to senior water rights seems even crazy, even relative to California's baseline level of crazy. Whenever I see a restaurant (usually in the Central Valley) which has signs out that they don't serve water on the table by default due to the drought, it's hard to take anything seriously.
danudey 12y ago
Fittingly enough, Mexico has also been suffering a drought, meaning that our unlimited supply of out-of-season tomatoes, coupled with insufficient regulation, is causing huge problems for the general populace.

cynicalkane 12y ago

From other places, at a slightly higher cost. Most food Californians eat (or any American) doesn't come from there to start.

AnimalMuppet 12y ago

Would you rather have the rice, but not have any water to cook it in? Or to brush your teeth afterwards? In what sense is that better?

TowerGardens 12y ago

Wouldn't it be beautiful to see kids grow their own produce in a very fast, efficient way without herbicides or pesticides. Schools who have some of the best teachers throughout the United States are doing just that with www.TheTowerGardens.com it is an aeroponic/hydroponic system that allows you to grow vertically, so that you can grow a tremendous amount of produce in a small space. Tower Gardens grow fruits, vegetables, and herbs vertically with no soil, just air, water and food base minerals. Tower Garden™ is more nutritious than almost any conventional or organic produce commercially available. Grow in your backyard, year round, and “there is no weeding, tilling, kneeling, or getting dirty!