I dislike this notion that Lisp (or Haskell or OCaml or ...) owe it to everyone else to explain and enunciate why it can be more productive to use Lisp. """ Th

I dislike this notion that Lisp (or Haskell or OCaml or ...) owe it to everyone else to explain and enunciate why it can be more productive to use Lisp. """ That’s ask­ing too much. If Lisp lan­guages are so great, then it should be pos­si­ble to sum­ma­rize their ben­e­fits in con­cise, prac­ti­cal terms. If Lisp ad­vo­cates refuse to do this, then we shouldn’t be sur­prised when these lan­guages re­main stuck near the bot­tom of the charts. """ What?? Why? The problem is not and has never been communication of Lisp features. No one made a concise list of why C and Java are so great that people rushed to use them. Instead, they were pervasively used and taught in universities, and they are pervasively used in the development of most applications for e.g. Windows and Linux, and they are relatively simple languages (in theory) whose semantics most people "get". No wacko high order crap, no weight curried things, no arrows or morphisms or monads or macros. Programmers of such languages don't owe the rest of the world anything. Everyone has a choice about what to use, and it's each individual programmer's responsibility to choose them wisely. There is plenty of material about Lisp and Scheme out there. Unfortunately, we are in this TL;DR culture where no one has the time to spend a few hours every week to learn something new, since somehow that's too big a risk on their precious time. Now, for some comments: 1. Everything is an expression. He says this is a boon, but it's also confusing for "expressions" which are side effectful. Too bad he did not talk about that, nor did he talk about how the expression-oriented way of thinking is really best for purely functional languages that allow for substitution semantics. 2. Every ex­pres­sion is ei­ther a sin­gle value or a list. This is wrong, unless we devolve "single value" into the 1950's idea of an "atom". What about vectors or other literal composite representations of things? What about read-time things that aren't really lists or values? 3. Functional programming. Functional programming is indeed great, but why don't we talk about how in Lisps, we don't get efficient functional programming? Lisp has tended to prefer non-functional ways of doing things because Lisp will allocate so much memory during functional programming tasks that for many objectives, FP is far to inefficient. Haskell solves this to some extent with things like efficient persistent structures and compilation algorithms such as loop fusion. Lisp doesn't really have any of this, and the data structures that do exist, many people don't know about or use. 4 and 5 don't really have to do with Lisp but particular implementations. That's fine I guess. 6. X-pressions. What the hell is an X-pression? 7. Racket documentation tools. Okay. 8. Syntax transformations. He made the same mistake as he so baroquely outlined at the start. What in the world are these "macros" and "syntax transformations" good for? You're just telling me they're more powerful C preprocessor macros that can call arbitrary functions. But I was taught that fancy CPP code is a Bad Idea, so boosting them is a Worse Idea. 9. New languages. Same problem as 8. You say it's useful but you don't say why. Just that it's "easier". 10. Opportunities to participate. Nothing to do with Lisp again. * * * Instead of all this glorifying of Lisp and etc, why don't we spend time increasing that library count from 2727 to 2728? Or do we need to go through an entire exercise about whether that time spent is worth it or not? """ Rather, you are—be­cause a Lisp lan­guage of­fers you the chance to dis­cover your po­ten­tial as a pro­gram­mer and a thinker, and thereby raise your ex­pec­ta­tions for what you can accomplish. """ You're repeating everyone else. Notice how difficult it is to convey such things without being hugely abstract and unhelpful? Why don't other programmers see this huge productivity benefit from these Lisp wizards in their day-to-day life? Where are the huge, useful applications? They all seem to be written in C or C++. """ It’s mind-bend­ingly great, and ac­ces­si­ble to any­one with a mild cu­rios­ity about soft­ware. """ It is accessible to those who are intently curious about theoretical aspects of software development, especially abstraction, and who can take exercises which require mathematical reasoning. A "mild curiosity" in my experience with others will not suffice. * * * This post may sound somewhat cynical and negative, but Lisp enlightenment articles are almost as bad as Haskell monad tutorials. They're everywhere and by the end, still no one gets it. And I don't like the attitude that because a group G doesn't understand it, and group H does, that H owes it to G to spoonfeed the information. That's not the case.