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The conclusion, imho, remains the same: "put more work in what you love and someday, it will pay". As I see it, the 10000h rule is about patience and dedication

The conclusion, imho, remains the same: "put more work in what you love and someday, it will pay". As I see it, the 10000h rule is about patience and dedication. The "10 times rule" is also interesting: it will take 10x more efforts than you think...

thaumasiotes 12y ago
> The "10 times rule" is also interesting: it will take 10x more efforts than you think... You see this one all over the place: 90-90 law: the first 90% of the project takes 90% of the development time. The last 10% of the project takes the other 90% of the development time. Hofstadter's law: It always takes longer than you expect, even after accounting for Hofstadter's law.
- ozim 12y ago
  First time I see 90-90 law, looks like someone made it up from Pareto principle which is 80% - 20%. Besides I don't see application in this topic for it.
  - weddpros 12y ago
    If I'm correct, there's more humour in the 90-90 law than in the Pareto principle! The 90-90 law predicts a 180% work load...
cge 12y ago
Why is that the conclusion? As much as I am skeptical of meta-analyses and the scientific soundness of most psychological research, the paper really does suggest that dedication has relatively little to do with performance. Patience and dedication toward something one isn't talented in may well not pay. Anecdotally, when I was an undergrad, I also figure skated very diligently, far more so than studying, and spent thousands of hours diligently and efficiently practicing with excellent coaches, which was probably significantly more time than I spent studying. I graduated with accolades and admission to an excellent university for my graduate work, while unable to reliably do even a single axel.
- weddpros 12y ago
  Dedication and patience may not be enough, it doesn't mean it's not required... I think "dedication and patience" is not enough if you don't account for some efficiency. I think it could be either "don't expect fantastic results before 10000h" or "see if you're ready to engage a 10000h challenge to know if you can do it" or "commit to 10000h or choose something else"... I'm not sure this rule was meant to be the n-th principle of thermodynamics, ie. checking its scientific validity may be a good way to waste 10000 hours.

thaumasiotes 12y ago

> The "10 times rule" is also interesting: it will take 10x more efforts than you think... You see this one all over the place: 90-90 law: the first 90% of the project takes 90% of the development time. The last 10% of the project takes the other 90% of the development time. Hofstadter's law: It always takes longer than you expect, even after accounting for Hofstadter's law.

ozim 12y ago
First time I see 90-90 law, looks like someone made it up from Pareto principle which is 80% - 20%. Besides I don't see application in this topic for it.
- weddpros 12y ago
  If I'm correct, there's more humour in the 90-90 law than in the Pareto principle! The 90-90 law predicts a 180% work load...

cge 12y ago

Why is that the conclusion? As much as I am skeptical of meta-analyses and the scientific soundness of most psychological research, the paper really does suggest that dedication has relatively little to do with performance. Patience and dedication toward something one isn't talented in may well not pay. Anecdotally, when I was an undergrad, I also figure skated very diligently, far more so than studying, and spent thousands of hours diligently and efficiently practicing with excellent coaches, which was probably significantly more time than I spent studying. I graduated with accolades and admission to an excellent university for my graduate work, while unable to reliably do even a single axel.

weddpros 12y ago
Dedication and patience may not be enough, it doesn't mean it's not required... I think "dedication and patience" is not enough if you don't account for some efficiency. I think it could be either "don't expect fantastic results before 10000h" or "see if you're ready to engage a 10000h challenge to know if you can do it" or "commit to 10000h or choose something else"... I'm not sure this rule was meant to be the n-th principle of thermodynamics, ie. checking its scientific validity may be a good way to waste 10000 hours.