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I'm not sure this model will work like it did with Youtube. You don't put Youtube on in the background/at a party while friends are over. You sit down and watch

by Oculus 12y ago

I'm not sure this model will work like it did with Youtube. You don't put Youtube on in the background/at a party while friends are over. You sit down and watch a video (hence you're willing to sit through an advertisement). Music streaming that is broken up by advertisements is why people dislike radio and are moving to online services. The reason artists like Soundcloud is it gives a way to distribute music directly to the fans for free. Anything that gets in the way of that (e.g. ads) is a step in the wrong direction. Instead of attempting to monetize ears/eyes, I'd instead suggest for a premium subscription for artists that gives them enhanced tools to monitor/distribute/track/etc. their music on the platform.

Swizec 12y ago
> You don't put Youtube on in the background/at a party while friends are over Yes you do and is the only reason I started using AdBlock. I was willing to put up with everything the internet would throw at me. But then I visited the US once and Youtube had pre-roll ads and mid-playlist ads and whatnot. Installed adblock immediately after it happened the first time. Now the whole internet doesn't have ads. Good job Youtube.
- TeMPOraL 12y ago
  I second this, I installed Adblock for exactly the same reason - pre-roll ads are intolerable. I honestly don't know how could anyone think that playing 30 seconds of nonsense before letting you see a 3-minute video is a good idea. It's the worst type of ad since popups.
rtpg 12y ago
Loads of people put Youtube on the background, and I think that the main reason people are moving to online services is because you can choose what you're listening to (and not hear the same 10 songs over and over again). I think most people are accepting of ads, especially for a free service. There's always the vocal minority, but free is free.
blumkvist 12y ago
Oh wow, what an insightful suggestion!
adamnemecek 12y ago
> I'd instead suggest for a premium subscription for artists that gives them enhanced tools to monitor/distribute/track/etc. their music on the platform They are already doing that.
Tiksi 12y ago
I'm not sure I agree with the first part of your comment. Spotify already does this, and in my experience plenty of people leave spotify on as background music and/or at a party. My old roommates did this pretty frequently, and while it was annoying at first to hear ads between songs, as long as they're short enough, you eventually just tune them out. If anything I'd say that the youtube style ads that play before your content are more aggravating, since you are delayed from actually seeing the content you are trying to watch, much like a loading page is generally a worse experience than a loading content area.
- kalleboo 12y ago
  I've heard Spotify ads in cafés/restaurants even...
- tripzilch 12y ago
  If I was over at my friends' and they'd play ads at me, I'd complain and ask them to put on some real music. They'd ask the same of me. (though I wouldn't insist, if someone doesn't know how, or just really wants to hear radio with ads, I'm a guest after all)
k-mcgrady 12y ago
>> "The reason artists like Soundcloud is it gives a way to distribute music directly to the fans for free." Although I disagree that that's why artists like SoundCloud this won't change that. Ads will only play if you choose to monetise a track. Don't want ads on your track? You don't have them.
dan_b 12y ago
I've seen people DJing at parties using two browser windows with Youtube.
- aikah 12y ago
  > I've seen people DJing at parties using two browser windows with Youtube. And ? DJing is about mixing music sources seamlessly, wherever they come from.I wouldnt trust the network during a gig though ,but there is nothing shocking in getting your music from Youtube.
  - JonnieCache 12y ago
    Wilfully playing out pirated, recompressed lossy files and calling yourself a DJ is the height of lameness. If you're going to profit from someone elses work without paying them, try not to make it sound like shit as well.
    - anigbrowl 12y ago
      I doubt anyone DJing stuff from Youtube is getting paid for it.
    - aikah 12y ago
      I didnt say professional djs.
samsolomon 12y ago
Anecdotally, this is exactly what we did at parties when I was in college.
TeMPOraL 12y ago
> You don't put Youtube on in the background/at a party while friends are over. Of course you do. For many people (myself and my family included) this is number one place to go to find music. UX is perfect for a party - you find a random playlist and leave it like that, and any time someone wants to show a particular music piece or video to the group, the YouTube tab is there waiting. Of course, first thing people do is nuking the pre-roll ads with AdBlock - because those make YouTube annoying and useless at parties.

by Oculus 12y ago

Swizec 12y ago

> You don't put Youtube on in the background/at a party while friends are over Yes you do and is the only reason I started using AdBlock. I was willing to put up with everything the internet would throw at me. But then I visited the US once and Youtube had pre-roll ads and mid-playlist ads and whatnot. Installed adblock immediately after it happened the first time. Now the whole internet doesn't have ads. Good job Youtube.

TeMPOraL 12y ago
I second this, I installed Adblock for exactly the same reason - pre-roll ads are intolerable. I honestly don't know how could anyone think that playing 30 seconds of nonsense before letting you see a 3-minute video is a good idea. It's the worst type of ad since popups.

rtpg 12y ago

Loads of people put Youtube on the background, and I think that the main reason people are moving to online services is because you can choose what you're listening to (and not hear the same 10 songs over and over again). I think most people are accepting of ads, especially for a free service. There's always the vocal minority, but free is free.

blumkvist 12y ago

Oh wow, what an insightful suggestion!

adamnemecek 12y ago

> I'd instead suggest for a premium subscription for artists that gives them enhanced tools to monitor/distribute/track/etc. their music on the platform They are already doing that.

Tiksi 12y ago

I'm not sure I agree with the first part of your comment. Spotify already does this, and in my experience plenty of people leave spotify on as background music and/or at a party. My old roommates did this pretty frequently, and while it was annoying at first to hear ads between songs, as long as they're short enough, you eventually just tune them out. If anything I'd say that the youtube style ads that play before your content are more aggravating, since you are delayed from actually seeing the content you are trying to watch, much like a loading page is generally a worse experience than a loading content area.

kalleboo 12y ago
I've heard Spotify ads in cafés/restaurants even...
tripzilch 12y ago
If I was over at my friends' and they'd play ads at me, I'd complain and ask them to put on some real music. They'd ask the same of me. (though I wouldn't insist, if someone doesn't know how, or just really wants to hear radio with ads, I'm a guest after all)

k-mcgrady 12y ago

>> "The reason artists like Soundcloud is it gives a way to distribute music directly to the fans for free." Although I disagree that that's why artists like SoundCloud this won't change that. Ads will only play if you choose to monetise a track. Don't want ads on your track? You don't have them.

dan_b 12y ago

I've seen people DJing at parties using two browser windows with Youtube.

aikah 12y ago
> I've seen people DJing at parties using two browser windows with Youtube. And ? DJing is about mixing music sources seamlessly, wherever they come from.I wouldnt trust the network during a gig though ,but there is nothing shocking in getting your music from Youtube.
- JonnieCache 12y ago
  Wilfully playing out pirated, recompressed lossy files and calling yourself a DJ is the height of lameness. If you're going to profit from someone elses work without paying them, try not to make it sound like shit as well.
  - anigbrowl 12y ago
    I doubt anyone DJing stuff from Youtube is getting paid for it.
  - aikah 12y ago
    I didnt say professional djs.

samsolomon 12y ago

Anecdotally, this is exactly what we did at parties when I was in college.

TeMPOraL 12y ago

> You don't put Youtube on in the background/at a party while friends are over. Of course you do. For many people (myself and my family included) this is number one place to go to find music. UX is perfect for a party - you find a random playlist and leave it like that, and any time someone wants to show a particular music piece or video to the group, the YouTube tab is there waiting. Of course, first thing people do is nuking the pre-roll ads with AdBlock - because those make YouTube annoying and useless at parties.