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People who care more about freedom than comfort?

by mapleoin 12y ago

petepete 12y ago
But how is the above sample 'unfree'?
- cokernel 12y ago
  There is no license notice in the sample. LibreJS looks for a license notice as a comment in the script: http://www.gnu.org/software/librejs/manual/librejs.html#Free-Licenses-Detection http://www.gnu.org/software/librejs/manual/librejs.html#Free...
- rglullis 12y ago
  The main goal of the GPL is to allow that programs can be understood and modified by user. A "trivial" javascript program accomplishes that, regardless of license. The sample above is "non-trivial" according to the set of heuristics they are using, so they are just saying "if the program is not trivial, then you need to explicitly state that it is GPL for us to consider it free"
  - mattl 12y ago
    Not GPL, but any free software license.
- mattl 12y ago
  Without a license, the assumption is that it is proprietary.
  - Alupis 12y ago
    So, all that in-line javascript on my website suddenly is "proprietary" even though it's usually just a few lines? (as a consequence, my entire site won't work for users with this enabled)
    - seba_dos1 12y ago
      That's why triviality heuristics are there.
    - belorn 12y ago
      Please contact your local politician and make the copyright scope more sane. That way, a few lines won't be copyright-able and we don't need licenses for it.
      - Alupis 12y ago
        Seriously guy -- why even bother surfing the internet? I mean -- the websites you are visiting are bound to be using non-free proprietary software. At least a few of them. Actually -- the routers your packets travel through are using proprietary non-free software! The BIOS that boots your PC is non-free and proprietary! Just throw your computer out -- that is the only sure way to stop using non-free software. (actually, don't throw it out -- just mail it to me ;)
StevePerkins 12y ago
It's strange how age and the passage of time can change you. When I was in my 20's, I used to say things exactly like this. The further along I get into my 30's, the more I read things like this and experience the same feeling I get when reading "9/11 Truth" material.
raverbashing 12y ago
People who care more about the delusional ranting of Stallman than actually using any web service today? Oh yeah, using jquery is "non-trivial". What a load of crap.
- mattl 12y ago
  jQuery, even in its compressed form makes a license known. /! jQuery v1.11.1 | (c) 2005, 2014 jQuery Foundation, Inc. | jquery.org/license / It's not ideal, but I'll take it.
  - raverbashing 12y ago
    See this: http://www.gnu.org/software/librejs/manual/librejs.html#JavaScript-Detection http://www.gnu.org/software/librejs/manual/librejs.html#Java... The $.doSomething(); example
- _ak 12y ago
  Stallman talking about the web is like a Catholic priest talking about sexual intercourse: he has no practical experience with it and has no idea what he's talking about.
  - mattl 12y ago
    Maybe so, that's why he asked people like John Resig (creator of jQuery) and myself to assist him.
  - dragonwriter 12y ago
    > Stallman talking about the web is like a Catholic priest talking about sexual intercourse: he has no practical experience with it Completely tangentially, its quite possible to be a Catholic priest [1], have never violated any Catholic teaching or discipline, and have practical experience with sexual intercourse. Catholic priests can't get married, and men usually can't become priests in the Latin Rite if they are currently married [2], but widowers can be ordained priests in the Latin Rite, and married men can become priests in the Eastern Rites. And, in any case, even in theory, becoming a priest doesn't require one to never have violated teaching on this (or any other) point before so doing. [1] in the usual sense of a "priest in a church in union with Rome", not extending that to breakaway or never-in-union churches that might have "Catholic" in their name. [2] But there are exceptions to this rule.

People who care more about freedom than comfort?

petepete 12y ago

But how is the above sample 'unfree'?

cokernel 12y ago
There is no license notice in the sample. LibreJS looks for a license notice as a comment in the script: http://www.gnu.org/software/librejs/manual/librejs.html#Free-Licenses-Detection http://www.gnu.org/software/librejs/manual/librejs.html#Free...
rglullis 12y ago
The main goal of the GPL is to allow that programs can be understood and modified by user. A "trivial" javascript program accomplishes that, regardless of license. The sample above is "non-trivial" according to the set of heuristics they are using, so they are just saying "if the program is not trivial, then you need to explicitly state that it is GPL for us to consider it free"
- mattl 12y ago
  Not GPL, but any free software license.
mattl 12y ago
Without a license, the assumption is that it is proprietary.
- Alupis 12y ago
  So, all that in-line javascript on my website suddenly is "proprietary" even though it's usually just a few lines? (as a consequence, my entire site won't work for users with this enabled)
  - seba_dos1 12y ago
    That's why triviality heuristics are there.
  - belorn 12y ago
    Please contact your local politician and make the copyright scope more sane. That way, a few lines won't be copyright-able and we don't need licenses for it.
    - Alupis 12y ago
      Seriously guy -- why even bother surfing the internet? I mean -- the websites you are visiting are bound to be using non-free proprietary software. At least a few of them. Actually -- the routers your packets travel through are using proprietary non-free software! The BIOS that boots your PC is non-free and proprietary! Just throw your computer out -- that is the only sure way to stop using non-free software. (actually, don't throw it out -- just mail it to me ;)

StevePerkins 12y ago

It's strange how age and the passage of time can change you. When I was in my 20's, I used to say things exactly like this. The further along I get into my 30's, the more I read things like this and experience the same feeling I get when reading "9/11 Truth" material.

raverbashing 12y ago

People who care more about the delusional ranting of Stallman than actually using any web service today? Oh yeah, using jquery is "non-trivial". What a load of crap.

mattl 12y ago
jQuery, even in its compressed form makes a license known. /! jQuery v1.11.1 | (c) 2005, 2014 jQuery Foundation, Inc. | jquery.org/license / It's not ideal, but I'll take it.
- raverbashing 12y ago
  See this: http://www.gnu.org/software/librejs/manual/librejs.html#JavaScript-Detection http://www.gnu.org/software/librejs/manual/librejs.html#Java... The $.doSomething(); example
_ak 12y ago
Stallman talking about the web is like a Catholic priest talking about sexual intercourse: he has no practical experience with it and has no idea what he's talking about.
- mattl 12y ago
  Maybe so, that's why he asked people like John Resig (creator of jQuery) and myself to assist him.
- dragonwriter 12y ago
  > Stallman talking about the web is like a Catholic priest talking about sexual intercourse: he has no practical experience with it Completely tangentially, its quite possible to be a Catholic priest [1], have never violated any Catholic teaching or discipline, and have practical experience with sexual intercourse. Catholic priests can't get married, and men usually can't become priests in the Latin Rite if they are currently married [2], but widowers can be ordained priests in the Latin Rite, and married men can become priests in the Eastern Rites. And, in any case, even in theory, becoming a priest doesn't require one to never have violated teaching on this (or any other) point before so doing. [1] in the usual sense of a "priest in a church in union with Rome", not extending that to breakaway or never-in-union churches that might have "Catholic" in their name. [2] But there are exceptions to this rule.