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I've been monitoring HN reactions to Dropbox news with interest and I can conclude that mentioning Rice in comments has fallen out of vogue and is punished with

by vdaniuk 12y ago

I've been monitoring HN reactions to Dropbox news with interest and I can conclude that mentioning Rice in comments has fallen out of vogue and is punished with downvotes of power users. HN was outraged at first, now it's meh about the whole deal. A regrettable development that shows companies that one can easily alienate a part of its early adopters, but bad rep won't stick if you continue to ship shiny things.

bronson 12y ago
Gotta wonder about Dropbox and HN both being YC projects... Think that helps Rice be a non-issue?
- dang 12y ago
  Certainly not in any way that I'm aware of.
  - okpl 12y ago
    "...while letting us safely modify content for each binary. Our custom tool allows us to create an unverified section of the binary in a way that is compliant with the Authenticode spec." quite an intriguing attack surface for mobile malware...arbitrary code of Dropbox's choosing when combined with an 0day or two?
  - deciplex 12y ago
    Unfortunately, we have to take your word for it, because there is no transparency of which of the various uncountable "bans" are associated with your account, to say nothing of why they are put there in the first place. You're probably not punishing posters for reminding people that Dropbox is an enthusiastic supporter of illegal domestic NSA spying operations, but there is no way to know that, either. Trust, but verify^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H in other words.
  - vdaniuk 12y ago
    Really? Care to tell us why the okpl user is already hell banned after posting 2 comments in this thread criticizing Dropbox and Rice involment?
    - dang 12y ago
      Oh my hot-headed, un-Bayesian friends: do you really think we'd be so dumb as to ban people for criticizing Dropbox and Rice after just saying we don't do that? That would be the I Do Not Freebase Cocaine of website moderation [1]. Comments posted from Tor IP addresses by new accounts are killed automatically [2] because of past abuses by trolls. Moderators unkill these when we see them and mark the accounts legit when they're not obviously trolling. I just did that here, even though "Sounds like Condi didn't need much time" is pretty far from a quality comment. Before you seamlessly segue into outrage at that instead, may I mention that we've got a sweet idea for dumping that practice and a truckload of others in a grand devolution of moderation powers to the community. Maybe one day we'll even get to implement it, instead of typing the same comments over and over. Lord and NSA knows it'd be one ginormous headache off our hands. 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-ckIv1tiaU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-ckIv1tiaU 2. https://hn.algolia.com/?q=noob+tor#!/comment/sort_by_date/prefix/0/comments%20from%20new%20accounts%20tor https://hn.algolia.com/?q=noob+tor#!/comment/sort_by_date/pr...
      - vdaniuk 12y ago
        Nope, I didn't think that you are dumb at all. However, I believe that you have a clear cut conflict of interest that you may not be able to mitigate no matter how hard you try. http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_ariely_beware_conflicts_of_interest http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_ariely_beware_conflicts_of_inte... Also it would be really cool to add [tor noob] fair describing a hellban reason.

by vdaniuk 12y ago

bronson 12y ago

Gotta wonder about Dropbox and HN both being YC projects... Think that helps Rice be a non-issue?

dang 12y ago
Certainly not in any way that I'm aware of.
- okpl 12y ago
  "...while letting us safely modify content for each binary. Our custom tool allows us to create an unverified section of the binary in a way that is compliant with the Authenticode spec." quite an intriguing attack surface for mobile malware...arbitrary code of Dropbox's choosing when combined with an 0day or two?
- deciplex 12y ago
  Unfortunately, we have to take your word for it, because there is no transparency of which of the various uncountable "bans" are associated with your account, to say nothing of why they are put there in the first place. You're probably not punishing posters for reminding people that Dropbox is an enthusiastic supporter of illegal domestic NSA spying operations, but there is no way to know that, either. Trust, but verify^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H in other words.
- vdaniuk 12y ago
  Really? Care to tell us why the okpl user is already hell banned after posting 2 comments in this thread criticizing Dropbox and Rice involment?
  - dang 12y ago
    Oh my hot-headed, un-Bayesian friends: do you really think we'd be so dumb as to ban people for criticizing Dropbox and Rice after just saying we don't do that? That would be the I Do Not Freebase Cocaine of website moderation [1]. Comments posted from Tor IP addresses by new accounts are killed automatically [2] because of past abuses by trolls. Moderators unkill these when we see them and mark the accounts legit when they're not obviously trolling. I just did that here, even though "Sounds like Condi didn't need much time" is pretty far from a quality comment. Before you seamlessly segue into outrage at that instead, may I mention that we've got a sweet idea for dumping that practice and a truckload of others in a grand devolution of moderation powers to the community. Maybe one day we'll even get to implement it, instead of typing the same comments over and over. Lord and NSA knows it'd be one ginormous headache off our hands. 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-ckIv1tiaU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-ckIv1tiaU 2. https://hn.algolia.com/?q=noob+tor#!/comment/sort_by_date/prefix/0/comments%20from%20new%20accounts%20tor https://hn.algolia.com/?q=noob+tor#!/comment/sort_by_date/pr...
    - vdaniuk 12y ago
      Nope, I didn't think that you are dumb at all. However, I believe that you have a clear cut conflict of interest that you may not be able to mitigate no matter how hard you try. http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_ariely_beware_conflicts_of_interest http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_ariely_beware_conflicts_of_inte... Also it would be really cool to add [tor noob] fair describing a hellban reason.