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These days, Intel is an unusual model in that they own the whole 'stack', from processor design to fabrication, packaging, etc. To replicate that costs 10s of b
by mechagodzilla 12y ago
These days, Intel is an unusual model in that they own the whole 'stack', from processor design to fabrication, packaging, etc. To replicate that costs 10s of billions of dollars.
To get your own chip produced using a 'pure-play' fab (which, these days, basically means TSMC, and to a lesser extent Samsung and GloFo), however, is much cheaper. If you want a 20nm chip, you design your chip (basically the cost is just engineering effort + CAD tools..a few million $$), send it to TSMC (getting masks made is another few million $$), and they send you back chips.
Reality is slightly more complicated, in that you're using using an integrator to manage the relationship with TSMC, the packaging company, the testing company, etc., but a startup with $10-20 million could probably scrape together a decent 20nm chip.
Once TSMC has built a new fab though, the longer it is 'relevant' the cheaper they can make the wafers, as they have more wafers to amortize the ~$10 billion or whatever it cost to build the fab over.
- DCKing 12y agoIt's a confusing discussion (for me). It is true that "chip design" is somewhat democratized in that you don't need 100s of millions to design a chip and have it made on a competitive process. The thing I pondered was whether it will ever cost less than 100s of millions to make it yourself on a competitive process. Although I guess the latter really isn't that relevant when it comes to the discussion of chip design.
- mechagodzilla 12y agoIt's kind of like fretting that it's expensive to write software if you have to invent your own language and compiler first. It would be, which is why no one does that.