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If you trust a provider from Switzerland, be mindful that you also trust the Swiss state: Since 2002 all communication providers are forced to keep a log of all
by pilif 12y ago
If you trust a provider from Switzerland, be mindful that you also trust the Swiss state: Since 2002 all communication providers are forced to keep a log of all communication flowing over their pipes and hand that out to the authorities on request. Reading the law, I think this isn't just metadata (which would be bad enough) but actual data too. Also, data needs to be kept for up to 30 years.
Now granted, our authorities are way less heavy handed in their approach than the various US agencies, but still, if you don't trust the Swiss government (btw: lately not willing to stand up to US demands), you should not, by any means trust any Swiss company to handle data for you.
If you read german, here's the law: http://www.ejpd.admin.ch/content/dam/data/sicherheit/gesetzgebung/fernmeldeueberwachung/entw-d.pdf http://www.ejpd.admin.ch/content/dam/data/sicherheit/gesetzg...
- fla 12y agoOne should also know that the Swiss government has always been collaborating with the US agencies. We even have our own Echelon [1]. Don't trust anyone, crypt your data. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onyx_(interception_system) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onyx_(interception_system)
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- tomjen3 12y agoWouldn't that be totally pointless if the data is encrypted in transit or does this also extend to other types of businesses that are not ISPs?
- username0 12y agoI thought Switzerland only kept the data for six months? I've been trusting Switzerland all this time assuming it was only six months...
- _delirium 12y agoHuh, permanent full-data logging seems pretty onerous even just from a technical perspective. Does a cloud provider like Exoscale really have to keep a copy of everything that ever touches their cloud? That'd be some pretty massive data warehousing.
- pyre 12y agoDon't worry. The government is working on building a warehouse to alleviate them of that burden. They'll just forward all data to the government-run data warehouse. Free of charge! ;-)
- pyritschard 12y agoThis applies to "communications provider" which right now means telcos. Infrastructure providers such as exoscale of course do no such thing.
- secfirstmd 12y agoNSA/Swiss Cooperation for years NSA Backdoors in Crypto AG Ciphering Machines https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/01/nsa_backdoors_i.html https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/01/nsa_backdoors...