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Do you find judgement and shame to be constructive communication tools for positive change?

Natsu 12y ago
They appear to be widely and successfully used tools, but I don't like them.
lotsofmangos 12y ago
Well, if we look to religious texts, they have been the cornerstone of social control for millennia. There may be better tools, but judgement and shame have been undeniably effective.
TheMagicHorsey 12y ago
If it shames people from joining them and filing garbage software patents, then yes. You aren't going to convince someone that works at IV one way or another. Its not like they haven't heard the arguments before. Its just that they don't care.
letstryagain 12y ago
IV is an evil corporation. It does not feel pain. It cannot be reasoned with. Nathan Myhrvold struck it rich with Microsoft, then he beat cancer and now he's repaying us for all this luck by becoming the biggest patent troll the world has ever seen. Nathan is a shitstain.
- aaronbrethorst 12y ago
  > then he beat cancer I think you're confusing him with Paul Allen on this point. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Allen#Microsoft http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Allen#Microsoft
  - jbuzbee 12y ago
    Paul Allen. Huh. So what is it about these pathetic Microsoft guys? http://www.wired.com/2010/08/paul-allen-patent-lawsuit/ http://www.wired.com/2010/08/paul-allen-patent-lawsuit/
    - SoftwareMaven 12y ago
      Do you have any idea how morally bankrupt Microsoft was in the 90s? These guys got their training at Microsoft. The irony is the chief has completely changed, while the underlings continue on, perhaps trying to move out of his shadow. Edit: Perhaps a little context is in order for the younger crowd here, since the MS today is very different from the MS of the 90s. First is "embrace, extend, extinguish", which was used to great effect with Internet Explorer and with Java. Their FUD campaign against Linux was legendary. They played nasty tricks during acquisitions. The list goes on[1]. 1. http://www.vanwensveen.nl/rants/microsoft/IhateMS_4.html http://www.vanwensveen.nl/rants/microsoft/IhateMS_4.html (To be fair, this person obviously has an axe to grind, so read with a bit of skepticism, but I worked at both competitors and partners of MS during that time, at neither position was very comfortable.)

Natsu 12y ago

They appear to be widely and successfully used tools, but I don't like them.

Well, if we look to religious texts, they have been the cornerstone of social control for millennia. There may be better tools, but judgement and shame have been undeniably effective.

TheMagicHorsey 12y ago

If it shames people from joining them and filing garbage software patents, then yes. You aren't going to convince someone that works at IV one way or another. Its not like they haven't heard the arguments before. Its just that they don't care.

letstryagain 12y ago

IV is an evil corporation. It does not feel pain. It cannot be reasoned with. Nathan Myhrvold struck it rich with Microsoft, then he beat cancer and now he's repaying us for all this luck by becoming the biggest patent troll the world has ever seen. Nathan is a shitstain.

aaronbrethorst 12y ago
> then he beat cancer I think you're confusing him with Paul Allen on this point. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Allen#Microsoft http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Allen#Microsoft
- jbuzbee 12y ago
  Paul Allen. Huh. So what is it about these pathetic Microsoft guys? http://www.wired.com/2010/08/paul-allen-patent-lawsuit/ http://www.wired.com/2010/08/paul-allen-patent-lawsuit/
  - SoftwareMaven 12y ago
    Do you have any idea how morally bankrupt Microsoft was in the 90s? These guys got their training at Microsoft. The irony is the chief has completely changed, while the underlings continue on, perhaps trying to move out of his shadow. Edit: Perhaps a little context is in order for the younger crowd here, since the MS today is very different from the MS of the 90s. First is "embrace, extend, extinguish", which was used to great effect with Internet Explorer and with Java. Their FUD campaign against Linux was legendary. They played nasty tricks during acquisitions. The list goes on[1]. 1. http://www.vanwensveen.nl/rants/microsoft/IhateMS_4.html http://www.vanwensveen.nl/rants/microsoft/IhateMS_4.html (To be fair, this person obviously has an axe to grind, so read with a bit of skepticism, but I worked at both competitors and partners of MS during that time, at neither position was very comfortable.)