Your original statements were "being an awesome excellent programmer doesn't mean guaranteed success in any real measurable way. " and "Begin an awesome excelle

Your original statements were "being an awesome excellent programmer doesn't mean guaranteed success in any real measurable way. " and "Begin an awesome excellent business guy does mean success in a measurable way." When the argument was made that success has meanings beyond "how much money someone made" or needs an absolute scale of measurement to define it, you are now saying that software that is not well written can be successful, Sure, but by that logic then many businessmen get rich by luck, not by being "awesome excellent business guys". So ? Still doesn't affect the irrelevance of your original argument. There are godawful musicians who lip synch songs and can barely maintain pitch but are successful in terms of making money. You need to let go of thinking that your ideas of what "success" is, is somehow universally held or accepted. ( I am done with this thread. It isn't worth the time. )