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> but it's against Apple's EULA This is Hacker News, right?

by nokiaman 12y ago

happyscrappy 12y ago
Hacker != Cracker
- georgemcbay 12y ago
  Sometimes Hacker == Cracker, if the crack is particularly clever.
  - jbogp 12y ago
    Sometimes boolean , if the crack is particularly clever.
- corpselord420 12y ago
  no one has used the term cracker since 1990 man
henderson101 12y ago
I always read it as "Hacker" in the traditional sense of the term, not the alarmist media "OMG!!H4qq0r" sense of the word. Hacking used to simply mean programming.
- cookiecaper 12y ago
  The term "hacker" implies rule-bending to solve real problems in a productive way, whether you're bending the rules of a programming environment or a legal construct like an EULA. Adherence to contracts is not mandatory for something to qualify as a traditional hack.
- CalRobert 12y ago
  "Hacking used to simply mean programming" Did it though? I thought it referred to finding creative solutions to problems that often incorporated programming. Was anyone really considered to be hacking if they were writing tic tac toe in Basic?
  - gregrata 12y ago
    Of course. If you were the first to write tic tac toe in basic on the VIC-20, in the early 80's (or on something else in the 50's,etc)
  - gnopgnip 12y ago
    Hacking used to mean anyone using a keyboard.
CalRobert 12y ago
Perhaps it's actually "Hacker" News.
- deleted 12y ago
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forgottenpass 12y ago
Let it go man, the days of hacker meaning anything other than "dude that uses a computer" are dead. I know what you mean, I remember the "hacker" ethos that was willing to throw middle fingers in the air EULA, but this crowd doesn't even seem aware of the difference between that crowd as "hackers" and people popping boxes as "hackers." Or the handful of other types of people covered by the always-vague "hacker". The internet community you're looking for is no longer a sizable portion of the people into tech, personalities expanded as as the field grew. And you're sure not going to find what you're talking about in a corner where the people here primarily for money congregate. To summarize, the internet pissing match between if it meant "cracker" or something more akin to "respected technologist" was won by a late entrant: "using the cachet a label the former two groups built to sell a job to someone that is neither." Or, to summarize the summary: The moment Paul Graham's writing told me I was a hacker, I knew I irrevocably wasn't.
- plaguuuuuu 12y ago
  Let's just return to the old terminology. Hax0r news. ;)

> but it's against Apple's EULA This is Hacker News, right?

happyscrappy 12y ago

Hacker != Cracker

georgemcbay 12y ago
Sometimes Hacker == Cracker, if the crack is particularly clever.
- jbogp 12y ago
  Sometimes boolean , if the crack is particularly clever.
corpselord420 12y ago
no one has used the term cracker since 1990 man

henderson101 12y ago

I always read it as "Hacker" in the traditional sense of the term, not the alarmist media "OMG!!H4qq0r" sense of the word. Hacking used to simply mean programming.

cookiecaper 12y ago
The term "hacker" implies rule-bending to solve real problems in a productive way, whether you're bending the rules of a programming environment or a legal construct like an EULA. Adherence to contracts is not mandatory for something to qualify as a traditional hack.
CalRobert 12y ago
"Hacking used to simply mean programming" Did it though? I thought it referred to finding creative solutions to problems that often incorporated programming. Was anyone really considered to be hacking if they were writing tic tac toe in Basic?
- gregrata 12y ago
  Of course. If you were the first to write tic tac toe in basic on the VIC-20, in the early 80's (or on something else in the 50's,etc)
- gnopgnip 12y ago
  Hacking used to mean anyone using a keyboard.

CalRobert 12y ago

Perhaps it's actually "Hacker" News.

deleted 12y ago
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forgottenpass 12y ago

Let it go man, the days of hacker meaning anything other than "dude that uses a computer" are dead. I know what you mean, I remember the "hacker" ethos that was willing to throw middle fingers in the air EULA, but this crowd doesn't even seem aware of the difference between that crowd as "hackers" and people popping boxes as "hackers." Or the handful of other types of people covered by the always-vague "hacker". The internet community you're looking for is no longer a sizable portion of the people into tech, personalities expanded as as the field grew. And you're sure not going to find what you're talking about in a corner where the people here primarily for money congregate. To summarize, the internet pissing match between if it meant "cracker" or something more akin to "respected technologist" was won by a late entrant: "using the cachet a label the former two groups built to sell a job to someone that is neither." Or, to summarize the summary: The moment Paul Graham's writing told me I was a hacker, I knew I irrevocably wasn't.

plaguuuuuu 12y ago
Let's just return to the old terminology. Hax0r news. ;)