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Do also their customers deserve that ? They're the ones suffering and also risk going out of business. There's a lot of businesses that are not tech companies,

Do also their customers deserve that ? They're the ones suffering and also risk going out of business. There's a lot of businesses that are not tech companies, but still need software to operate. The people at such companies likely have no premise to judge whether the software product is built on sustainable technology - they just care that it does a fine job at operates their CNC mill or payroll system.

tormeh 12y ago
Yep, they definitely do. If it's such a problem they can buy insurance against bad technical decisions or something. I have a lot of sympathy for individual people, but bad businesses need to fail. That's half of progress.
- lttlrck 12y ago
  Insurance against bad technical decisions? LOL. Sorry, but we'll have to stick with "or something"
  - beavis2 12y ago
    But what if getting the insurance was a bad decision?
    - tormeh 12y ago
      Haha! That's good.
rbanffy 12y ago
> Do also their customers deserve that ? Absolutely, yes. Bad decisions put companies out of business every day. Bad technical decisions should be no different. Better luck next time.
danelectro 12y ago
If it's an electronic product, the customer rightly expects it to last as long as other familiar electronic products. If it's an expensive product then the customer rightly expects it to last much longer than comparable items of lesser cost. For a naturally expensive item like a CNC mill, where many customers will purchase their first one to replace a manual mill which has worn out after a decade or two, they often expect the modern CNC unit to fully replace the older piece with no further consideration (or cost) until the same familiar mode of mechanical wear occurs in another decade or two. If your software or operating system does not live up to this expectation by design, then you are not giving the customer what they need to begin with. If an industrial solution truly solves a problem, it stays solved well enough for the operator to move on to concentrate on their core competence (or different unsolved problems) from then on, and only incur insignificant costs or distractions from the previously unsolved problem. A payroll or other office system is not that much different, but applies to many more businesses. Computerizing a formerly manual system, high up-front cost is expected to pay for itself in future efficiency. If no further features are desired, then the business should be able to rely on electro-mechanical integrity as the weakest point over the following decades. Replacing individual worn-out office machines as needed in the traditional way. Only "modernizing" company-wide on their own initiative and schedule. If you can not buy brand new machines as needed to continue your present office systems unchanged indefinitely if you want to, this does not mean there is a defect in your approach just because you need a solved problem to stay solved. You may just be a victim of a consumer-centric (predatory) IT vendor structure even though you are paying top dollar for business solutions which are supposed to last.
- tormeh 12y ago
  That's a very different kind of product, though. CNC mill, yes, but internet-connected-something? No. Things that will never be updated and never networked yet must be reliable exists, but are not usually traditional enterprise stuff.

tormeh 12y ago

Yep, they definitely do. If it's such a problem they can buy insurance against bad technical decisions or something. I have a lot of sympathy for individual people, but bad businesses need to fail. That's half of progress.

lttlrck 12y ago
Insurance against bad technical decisions? LOL. Sorry, but we'll have to stick with "or something"
- beavis2 12y ago
  But what if getting the insurance was a bad decision?
  - tormeh 12y ago
    Haha! That's good.

rbanffy 12y ago

> Do also their customers deserve that ? Absolutely, yes. Bad decisions put companies out of business every day. Bad technical decisions should be no different. Better luck next time.

danelectro 12y ago

If it's an electronic product, the customer rightly expects it to last as long as other familiar electronic products. If it's an expensive product then the customer rightly expects it to last much longer than comparable items of lesser cost. For a naturally expensive item like a CNC mill, where many customers will purchase their first one to replace a manual mill which has worn out after a decade or two, they often expect the modern CNC unit to fully replace the older piece with no further consideration (or cost) until the same familiar mode of mechanical wear occurs in another decade or two. If your software or operating system does not live up to this expectation by design, then you are not giving the customer what they need to begin with. If an industrial solution truly solves a problem, it stays solved well enough for the operator to move on to concentrate on their core competence (or different unsolved problems) from then on, and only incur insignificant costs or distractions from the previously unsolved problem. A payroll or other office system is not that much different, but applies to many more businesses. Computerizing a formerly manual system, high up-front cost is expected to pay for itself in future efficiency. If no further features are desired, then the business should be able to rely on electro-mechanical integrity as the weakest point over the following decades. Replacing individual worn-out office machines as needed in the traditional way. Only "modernizing" company-wide on their own initiative and schedule. If you can not buy brand new machines as needed to continue your present office systems unchanged indefinitely if you want to, this does not mean there is a defect in your approach just because you need a solved problem to stay solved. You may just be a victim of a consumer-centric (predatory) IT vendor structure even though you are paying top dollar for business solutions which are supposed to last.

tormeh 12y ago
That's a very different kind of product, though. CNC mill, yes, but internet-connected-something? No. Things that will never be updated and never networked yet must be reliable exists, but are not usually traditional enterprise stuff.