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Rent prices have definitely exploded and there are no signs that the upwards trend will stop anytime soon. Nevertheless they are still low compared to cities li

by DasIch 12y ago

Rent prices have definitely exploded and there are no signs that the upwards trend will stop anytime soon. Nevertheless they are still low compared to cities like London or Paris. Furthermore software developers in Berlin are in very high demand. If you speak English fluently and are a good software developer, getting a job in Berlin should be no problem.

rememberlenny 12y ago
What are examples?
- DasIch 12y ago
  For rents? There is a map available here: http://interaktiv.morgenpost.de/mietkarte-berlin/#2-1650 http://interaktiv.morgenpost.de/mietkarte-berlin/#2-1650 It's in German but it should be still fairly easy to understand. Basically average rent for a 72m^2 two bedroom apartment with a new constract is somewhere between 815€ and 1100€ within the SBahn ring. If you are willing to share an apartment (which students generally do in Germany), you can usually get by with 300-400€ per month for rent.
- probably_wrong 12y ago
  If you mean examples about rent prices, a 1-room apartment in Charlottenburg (nice location) costs around €600. Similar apartment in Wedding (a bit further north) is around €500. For reference, a regular programming job should be around €1500 per month after taxes, while a month worth of supermarket food costs around €250 (although the right habits can shave almost a hundred from that). Add another €100 for a month of unlimited public transport, and you are set.
  - iagooar 12y ago
    If you get 1500€ after taxes, you are being hugely underpaid. 2000€ should be the very least you should expect / demand.
  - uberwach 12y ago
    1500€/month after taxes sounds very low. That is like 27k yearly before taxes (Steuerklasse 1 / no church taxes). Eastern europeans get paid that, because you can lowball them so easily. But as far as I know 40k is a lower bound for cs graduates. For reference I got 56.5k/year base salary at my first job after graduation (small company) and that were 2770€/month after taxes. I even have two friends that earn more than I do. Quit that one after half a year though (russian offshore programmers communication hell). Your rent/food prices are correct though. Small hack: your employer can pay you 44€/month tax-free for the public transport ticket (geldwerter Vorteil Freibetrag).
  - mlent 12y ago
    I'm going to third that. 1500 is definitely very low for a monthly salary as a software developer. A one bedroom in a nice part of Berlin is already more than half of that.
facepalm 12y ago
Software developers are in demand, but the pay is not that great compared to other places (like Munich of Frankfurt). I think the influx of young developers from all over the world might have something to do with that. Also the lack of big companies, so it's mostly startups with limited money supply who employ developers.
- DasIch 12y ago
  The influx of developers has almost nothing to do with that. Wages in Berlin are in general somewhat lower than in Munich because Berlin is cheaper to live in.
  - facepalm 12y ago
    Hm, does that really make sense? The level of rents should have no bearing on how much a developer is worth to a company? So it would mean the Berlin developers are just bad at negotiation?

by DasIch 12y ago

rememberlenny 12y ago

What are examples?

DasIch 12y ago
For rents? There is a map available here: http://interaktiv.morgenpost.de/mietkarte-berlin/#2-1650 http://interaktiv.morgenpost.de/mietkarte-berlin/#2-1650 It's in German but it should be still fairly easy to understand. Basically average rent for a 72m^2 two bedroom apartment with a new constract is somewhere between 815€ and 1100€ within the SBahn ring. If you are willing to share an apartment (which students generally do in Germany), you can usually get by with 300-400€ per month for rent.
probably_wrong 12y ago
If you mean examples about rent prices, a 1-room apartment in Charlottenburg (nice location) costs around €600. Similar apartment in Wedding (a bit further north) is around €500. For reference, a regular programming job should be around €1500 per month after taxes, while a month worth of supermarket food costs around €250 (although the right habits can shave almost a hundred from that). Add another €100 for a month of unlimited public transport, and you are set.
- iagooar 12y ago
  If you get 1500€ after taxes, you are being hugely underpaid. 2000€ should be the very least you should expect / demand.
- uberwach 12y ago
  1500€/month after taxes sounds very low. That is like 27k yearly before taxes (Steuerklasse 1 / no church taxes). Eastern europeans get paid that, because you can lowball them so easily. But as far as I know 40k is a lower bound for cs graduates. For reference I got 56.5k/year base salary at my first job after graduation (small company) and that were 2770€/month after taxes. I even have two friends that earn more than I do. Quit that one after half a year though (russian offshore programmers communication hell). Your rent/food prices are correct though. Small hack: your employer can pay you 44€/month tax-free for the public transport ticket (geldwerter Vorteil Freibetrag).
- mlent 12y ago
  I'm going to third that. 1500 is definitely very low for a monthly salary as a software developer. A one bedroom in a nice part of Berlin is already more than half of that.

facepalm 12y ago

Software developers are in demand, but the pay is not that great compared to other places (like Munich of Frankfurt). I think the influx of young developers from all over the world might have something to do with that. Also the lack of big companies, so it's mostly startups with limited money supply who employ developers.

DasIch 12y ago
The influx of developers has almost nothing to do with that. Wages in Berlin are in general somewhat lower than in Munich because Berlin is cheaper to live in.
- facepalm 12y ago
  Hm, does that really make sense? The level of rents should have no bearing on how much a developer is worth to a company? So it would mean the Berlin developers are just bad at negotiation?