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"if you roll out soldiers to address a civil disturbance, you need to figure out what they are going to do." One of the interesting things I learned participat
by justizin 12y ago
"if you roll out soldiers to address a civil disturbance, you need to figure out what they are going to do."
One of the interesting things I learned participating in a number of protests in recent years surrounded by veterans is that they were shocked at the local PD's willingness to violate basic human rights in ways that they'd never have been allowed in the Army / Marines / etc..
One of the concerns I discussed with a friend this weekend regarding the current / recent situation in Ferguson is that police with military equipment are doing things that are simply not acceptable for soldiers at war, such as outright pointing their weapons into a crowd in order to get people's attention, as well as the unchecked use of teargas which I also saw in Oakland.
I don't look forward to encountering any group of soldiers in a demonstration, nor do I doubt the Army has policies that are frightening, but one of the most frightening things about the militarization of police is that police are civilians who do not answer to the Uniform Code of Military Justice, nor do they require proper training on how to interact with the public as military. Many of them are vets, but not all of them had such duties while in the service.
This is why you often hear the perception that these police are 'dressed up to play soldier' because as horrifying as it is that a city would send soldiers in to repress its' citizens, it's an order of magnitude worse because they aren't trained to have any restraint and the protest they are policing is _directly_ against them and their presence in the area.
- click170 12y agoJohn Oliver touched on this in his recent segment. The Army, is given training in Escalation Of Force. The police, who are being given all these toys because terrorists and drugs, do not have that training. This is why you hear about the police shooting and killing unarmed civilians, deploying teargas in residential areas, and walking around pointing their weapons at people instead of the ground. Frankly they shouldn't have that gear at all, but if you're going to give it to them at least train them properly with it first.
- justizin 12y ago"Frankly they shouldn't have that gear at all, but if you're going to give it to them at least train them properly with it first." Absolutely 1000% what I was trying to get across. I don't want to see the national guard in my neighborhood, but I would rather see them than the Alameda County Sheriffs or CHP armed with the national guard's equipment.
- Spooky23 12y agoThe horrifying part is that the police leadership is willing to throw the policemen into the breach, overarmed to a degree that just begs for escalation. It's hard to fault the individual policemen -- when someone starts tossing molotov cocktails, your view of reasonable force is going to be different.