I'm not reading anything you're saying as being negative towards twisted. The thing, is twisted isn't a web framework, so nobody should find it surprising that

I'm not reading anything you're saying as being negative towards twisted. The thing, is twisted isn't a web framework, so nobody should find it surprising that it doesn't make it really easy and obvious how one would go about making a web site with it. A lot of people nowadays seem to look at a programming language and think "yeah, but where do my HTML templates go?" Most of the things I've built in twisted don't have web interfaces. There's a guy in the list now trying to figure out how to get his IRC MUC sending out ICQ alerts through OSCAR -- now HOWTO there, either. :) This feels more like a python vs. ruby discussion than anything else to me. One has a community that focused really hard on making a very rich web framework and the other can do web stuff, but isn't quite there. In both camps, you have extremists who can't see why anyone would use the other. In both cases, they can be better. :) So I'm hoping others will contribute to making the twisted web story better.