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Last I checked Gaza were nothing like a concentration camp, and calling it that is an offense to anyone who experienced any real one. When did foreign journali

Last I checked Gaza were nothing like a concentration camp, and calling it that is an offense to anyone who experienced any real one. When did foreign journalists have access to ccs? When did ccs have markets in broad daylight? Where is forced labour? (I didn't mention starvation etc because those ones are contested but still.) I literally don't like to bring this up as it isually brings downvotes but letting people frame something this important, -no.

BugBrother 12y ago
Let me add a couple of points re calling Gaza a concentration camp: 1. Gaza has among the highest population growths on the planet. Anyone implying organized murder is ... well, to not be impolite I also have to say: "is an offense to anyone who experienced any real [concentration camp]". 2. The borders were quite open to Israel, until the murders of Israeli civilians really started. It was common that people commuted to work in Israel and Israelis drove the car over to Gaza to have it fixed. Some problems are self generated.
lisper 12y ago
You're right, Gaza is more like the Warsaw ghetto than a concentration camp. History never repeats itself exactly. But I should say that I didn't really want to emphasize the "conservative" aspect of what Orwell wrote about Hitler so much as that he was able to get away with a lot of what he did in the early days because the "property-owning classes" allowed him to. That is the part I found chilling.
vacri 12y ago
Gaza is a bit like a concentration camp - an area where a group of people are contained and kept from moving freely. Generally concentration camps aren't big enough to support markets, but other concentration camps have allowed journalists, and forced labour is not a prerequisite for one either. It is better associated with the Warsaw ghetto, but your requirements for a concentration camp are not actually definitive of one.

BugBrother 12y ago

Let me add a couple of points re calling Gaza a concentration camp: 1. Gaza has among the highest population growths on the planet. Anyone implying organized murder is ... well, to not be impolite I also have to say: "is an offense to anyone who experienced any real [concentration camp]". 2. The borders were quite open to Israel, until the murders of Israeli civilians really started. It was common that people commuted to work in Israel and Israelis drove the car over to Gaza to have it fixed. Some problems are self generated.

lisper 12y ago

You're right, Gaza is more like the Warsaw ghetto than a concentration camp. History never repeats itself exactly. But I should say that I didn't really want to emphasize the "conservative" aspect of what Orwell wrote about Hitler so much as that he was able to get away with a lot of what he did in the early days because the "property-owning classes" allowed him to. That is the part I found chilling.

vacri 12y ago

Gaza is a bit like a concentration camp - an area where a group of people are contained and kept from moving freely. Generally concentration camps aren't big enough to support markets, but other concentration camps have allowed journalists, and forced labour is not a prerequisite for one either. It is better associated with the Warsaw ghetto, but your requirements for a concentration camp are not actually definitive of one.