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"We're missing a program to handle email, calendar, and contacts in one place." ---I, for one, have also been looking for a nice solution here after trying som

by ausjke 12y ago

"We're missing a program to handle email, calendar, and contacts in one place." ---I, for one, have also been looking for a nice solution here after trying some options.

pera 12y ago
What about Thunderbird+Lightning? I use that even when I have to use Windows.
- darklajid 12y ago
  Not even close (I'd wish, I used to be a zealot and STILL run Linux, working for a Microsoft based shop). That's only talking client and even there it falls short. Ignoring that users are happy with one thing for everything mail/contacts/calendar/tasks: What's the editor like in TB (I know, playing devil's advocate)? Auto correction? Can you easily embed weird content and expect it to work on the other side (drag stuff from Excel..)? It sucks, but that's what happens day in and day out. And you ignore the server side. AD is really not that bad. Better than most 'virtual users on postfix' setups, if you go beyond a family or tiny team. Now you need the other server features. Calendar (w/ sharing, rights management -> AD?). Decent sync and push (IMAP IDLE is the closest you might get, I guess) for mobile clients. Delegation (i.e. 'You can write in my name') and out of office replies that don't require Joe User to write sieve scripts. I run my own setup and I am NO fan of Outlook/Exchange, but trying to replace what they do with a random selection of OSS tools will probably fail (and hence they couldn't do it in Munich).
- ausjke 12y ago
  both thunderbird and lightning are clients, we're talking more of server here I think.
lutusp 12y ago
Google offers this, and synchronizing is easy, but it's not a response to the topic, problems with Linux, because anyone on any platform can use a browser and access the various Google services in the wish-list.
- tormeh 12y ago
  Can you mail a calendar appointment to a team member? Because that's pretty handy.
  - lutusp 12y ago
    Yes, and not just via email -- through an invitation mechanism in the calendar app a scheduled event can be linked to another Google user. I haven't used the calendar app much, but this feature appears to work.
  - mjevans 12y ago
    Sort of. You can invite others to a calendar event. However it doesn't inter-operate well with the MS Exchange monoculture, largely because Microsoft, like with filesystems, hasn't yet met a competing standard that they would be willing to support natively. (Example, just look at the horrid IMAP support in practically every version of Outlook. I /think/ Outlook 2010 is the closest so far and it's still got tiny hiccups.)
  - allegory 12y ago
    Not if they want to respond on android - I doesn't always work which is a PITA.
    - lutusp 12y ago
      If I run Chrome on Android, I can sync calendars just as though the Android device was a laptop. We might be speaking about different things.
      - allegory 12y ago
        Possibly. I can't always accept invitations via Google mail client on android and I can't accept an ics file and add it to my Google calendar. Not can I open other calendars (shared) because calendar crashes (moto g, KitKat, Google calendar client, not built in). Also I get two reminders for everything. Very clunky.
ausjke 12y ago
http://www.zentyal.org/ http://www.zentyal.org/ anyone tried this? I haven't and not sure if it provides a server that does the usual business groupware well(email,calendar,etc), it's a package trying to do everything else in the same time and seems a bit too much to me(firewall,IDS,etc)

by ausjke 12y ago

"We're missing a program to handle email, calendar, and contacts in one place." ---I, for one, have also been looking for a nice solution here after trying some options.

pera 12y ago

What about Thunderbird+Lightning? I use that even when I have to use Windows.

darklajid 12y ago
Not even close (I'd wish, I used to be a zealot and STILL run Linux, working for a Microsoft based shop). That's only talking client and even there it falls short. Ignoring that users are happy with one thing for everything mail/contacts/calendar/tasks: What's the editor like in TB (I know, playing devil's advocate)? Auto correction? Can you easily embed weird content and expect it to work on the other side (drag stuff from Excel..)? It sucks, but that's what happens day in and day out. And you ignore the server side. AD is really not that bad. Better than most 'virtual users on postfix' setups, if you go beyond a family or tiny team. Now you need the other server features. Calendar (w/ sharing, rights management -> AD?). Decent sync and push (IMAP IDLE is the closest you might get, I guess) for mobile clients. Delegation (i.e. 'You can write in my name') and out of office replies that don't require Joe User to write sieve scripts. I run my own setup and I am NO fan of Outlook/Exchange, but trying to replace what they do with a random selection of OSS tools will probably fail (and hence they couldn't do it in Munich).
ausjke 12y ago
both thunderbird and lightning are clients, we're talking more of server here I think.

lutusp 12y ago

Google offers this, and synchronizing is easy, but it's not a response to the topic, problems with Linux, because anyone on any platform can use a browser and access the various Google services in the wish-list.

tormeh 12y ago
Can you mail a calendar appointment to a team member? Because that's pretty handy.
- lutusp 12y ago
  Yes, and not just via email -- through an invitation mechanism in the calendar app a scheduled event can be linked to another Google user. I haven't used the calendar app much, but this feature appears to work.
- mjevans 12y ago
  Sort of. You can invite others to a calendar event. However it doesn't inter-operate well with the MS Exchange monoculture, largely because Microsoft, like with filesystems, hasn't yet met a competing standard that they would be willing to support natively. (Example, just look at the horrid IMAP support in practically every version of Outlook. I /think/ Outlook 2010 is the closest so far and it's still got tiny hiccups.)
- allegory 12y ago
  Not if they want to respond on android - I doesn't always work which is a PITA.
  - lutusp 12y ago
    If I run Chrome on Android, I can sync calendars just as though the Android device was a laptop. We might be speaking about different things.
    - allegory 12y ago
      Possibly. I can't always accept invitations via Google mail client on android and I can't accept an ics file and add it to my Google calendar. Not can I open other calendars (shared) because calendar crashes (moto g, KitKat, Google calendar client, not built in). Also I get two reminders for everything. Very clunky.

ausjke 12y ago

http://www.zentyal.org/ http://www.zentyal.org/ anyone tried this? I haven't and not sure if it provides a server that does the usual business groupware well(email,calendar,etc), it's a package trying to do everything else in the same time and seems a bit too much to me(firewall,IDS,etc)