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Engine Yard and Github's business relationship aside, is anyone else sick of everything these days being about the tool or language people are using? For some

Engine Yard and Github's business relationship aside, is anyone else sick of everything these days being about the tool or language people are using? For some reason we hear more from the Ruby side than any other about how great their language is, but frankly the only thing that matters are the products made from it. I don't know, I'm just kind of sick of Ruby fan boys.

adw 17y ago
I'm a Python guy, and that community's both sinned against and sinning. You have prominent Ruby guys claiming there's no momentum - Youtube, Friendfeed, Dropbox, loads of newspapers - behind the language. But, then, I'm chippy enough to notice... It's the Perl community who just seem to get it done. Amazon and BBC iPlayer have more traffic than most of us, I bet!
carbon8 17y ago
"we hear more from the Ruby side than any other about how great their language is" Um, that crown unquestionably goes to a big chunk of the python community right now. Reddit alone provides a steady stream of both extreme fawning over python and vitriol targeted at ruby, and your comment and its upvotes demonstrate that it's present here, as well. It's also quite a colossal double standard to complain about Ruby-specific hosts considering the existence of GAE, all the django-targeting hosting companies http://www.google.com/search?q=django+hosting http://www.google.com/search?q=django+hosting and all the companies providing language-specific services for PHP, Java and every other mainstream language.
- yesimahuman 17y ago
  I'm not complaining about the hosts, I'm complaining about the extreme focus we put on the language being used rather than the products being made.
  - carbon8 17y ago
    "I'm complaining about the extreme focus we put on the language being used rather than the products being made." What "extreme focus on the language"? Simply mentioning "Ruby" in the context of a Ruby-only hosting company's decisions does not constitute "extreme focus" any more than mentioning "Python" or, more recently, "Java" when discussing the Google App Engine. It's completely uncontroversial to anyone who doesn't have an axe to grind. Also, the services provided by the companies (or as you put it, "the products being made") are Ruby and Git hosting, with EY also maintaining several Ruby implementations. I'm not sure how you could say anything about EY's "products being made" without mentioning Ruby.
    - yesimahuman 17y ago
      Perhaps in the context of what services EY are providing it isn't controversial, since they clearly just provide Ruby hosting. In general though I feel like lately everyone is so dead set on the langs/tools they are using that we tend to focus on the languages rather than the general CS topics behind all of them. This was just a good time to bring up my annoyance I guess.

adw 17y ago

I'm a Python guy, and that community's both sinned against and sinning. You have prominent Ruby guys claiming there's no momentum - Youtube, Friendfeed, Dropbox, loads of newspapers - behind the language. But, then, I'm chippy enough to notice... It's the Perl community who just seem to get it done. Amazon and BBC iPlayer have more traffic than most of us, I bet!

carbon8 17y ago

"we hear more from the Ruby side than any other about how great their language is" Um, that crown unquestionably goes to a big chunk of the python community right now. Reddit alone provides a steady stream of both extreme fawning over python and vitriol targeted at ruby, and your comment and its upvotes demonstrate that it's present here, as well. It's also quite a colossal double standard to complain about Ruby-specific hosts considering the existence of GAE, all the django-targeting hosting companies http://www.google.com/search?q=django+hosting http://www.google.com/search?q=django+hosting and all the companies providing language-specific services for PHP, Java and every other mainstream language.

yesimahuman 17y ago
I'm not complaining about the hosts, I'm complaining about the extreme focus we put on the language being used rather than the products being made.
- carbon8 17y ago
  "I'm complaining about the extreme focus we put on the language being used rather than the products being made." What "extreme focus on the language"? Simply mentioning "Ruby" in the context of a Ruby-only hosting company's decisions does not constitute "extreme focus" any more than mentioning "Python" or, more recently, "Java" when discussing the Google App Engine. It's completely uncontroversial to anyone who doesn't have an axe to grind. Also, the services provided by the companies (or as you put it, "the products being made") are Ruby and Git hosting, with EY also maintaining several Ruby implementations. I'm not sure how you could say anything about EY's "products being made" without mentioning Ruby.
  - yesimahuman 17y ago
    Perhaps in the context of what services EY are providing it isn't controversial, since they clearly just provide Ruby hosting. In general though I feel like lately everyone is so dead set on the langs/tools they are using that we tend to focus on the languages rather than the general CS topics behind all of them. This was just a good time to bring up my annoyance I guess.