5 ms·
That is some very weak whataboutery. If there was a civil war going on in the US and disrupting the internet was likely to lead to loss of life then we might h
by anon1385 12y ago
That is some very weak whataboutery.
If there was a civil war going on in the US and disrupting the internet was likely to lead to loss of life then we might have a comparable situation. That isn't the situation though.
I am making a note of the fact that you view the Chinese government as a good barometer of morality in readiness for the next time you bring up their human rights record.
- tptacek 12y agoWhat a strange comment. You appear to believe that you can sum up the human rights characteristics of entire countries by the answer to a single question about routers. Here's a characteristic of Chinese human rights that isn't captured by that question: it is the official policy of China that the police can convict and sentence its citizens to a year of labor camp ("reeducation through labor") without a trial. I find that characteristic more important in assessing Chinese civil liberties than the fact that they have obviously owned up a bunch of our routers.
- nitrogen 12y agoInternational politics' favorite excuse for everything comes straight from the grade school playground: "He started it!" We ought to do better.
- tptacek 12y agoIf you reread my comment, you'll see I didn't employ that logic at all. I asked a simple question. Should we declare war on France, China, and Israel?
- belorn 12y agoIf a french governemnt agency put a exploit in a nuclear reactor, and a bug caused a meltdown inside the US, should the US declare war on france? let me ask your question with an other question: How many lives can a spy agency kill until it is no longer acceptable?
- tptacek 12y agoWhat?
- belorn 12y agoThe job of spies around the world is to infiltrate infrastructure. The intelligence value of knowing how much power is being produce, and the option to turn them off in case of war is of high military value. So let say the French intelligence service decide to plant one on a nuclear power plan in the US. Sadly however it has a bug which goes off and partial shuts down the reactor. A meltdown happens, killing a few thousands and irradiate the surroundings. Do you go to war over this? Would you classify it as an attack, a accident, or a act of war?
- dntrkv 12y agoAre you seriously equating the internet going out for a few hours to a nuclear meltdown?
- nitrogen 12y agoYes (not the OP); losing the Internet and phones in a country in a civil war could kill as many people as a meltdown.
- belorn 12y agoDuring extreme crisis, communication networks are vital in order to minimize casualties. Lets assume that radio and TV inside Syria informed the public where current fire fights happened, where people should go to seek shelter, and other warnings of dangers to the civilian population. Radio and TV get this information from sources inside government and reporters on the field, some using The Internet to transmit this information. You cut that communication line and radio and TV do not have current information to broadcast. People dies as a result. A lot of innocent civilians dies. This singular event could have killed more people than horrific event like 9/11 or a meltdown at a power plant. This is why I ask: How many casualties is a spy agency allowed to inflict until it is no longer acceptable.
- lotsofmangos 12y agoProbably not. At least not all at the same time. It would be very inconvenient.
- SamReidHughes 12y ago> it is the official policy of China that the police can convict and sentence its citizens to a year of labor camp ("reeducation through labor") without a trial. I think officially they ended this. Officially.