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To me Dart is really a great alternative to JS. The less I have to code in JS the better. Dart gives me the Java/c++ kind of language, has a lot of nice feature

To me Dart is really a great alternative to JS. The less I have to code in JS the better. Dart gives me the Java/c++ kind of language, has a lot of nice features out of the box, IntelliJ has a nice Dart-plugin - I can use strong typeded vars... Sure Dart has its kickups and it's traps but it i envolves and becomes more mature every day. What the Dart Team got wrong was that at first there target were all the JS-Devs out there. I think, a wrong decision. If you like JS, if you are used to the whole toolstack, you probably stay with JS. But if you like a statically typed, modern, language then Dart is a greate alternative.

tosh 12y ago
I also think that the Dart Team expected more uptake from JavaScript people (I also thought that) similar to how the Go people expected the most uptake from C/C++ people. Turns out that people who already are happy with an alternative solution are less likely to switch than people who are already unhappy with the alternative because they are not yet used to it/invested and judge it with fresh eyes (like people from other camps like Python, Ruby, Scala, C#, Haskell, Clojure, …). I personally find it sad that there is such an aggressive backlash against Dart from people who did not really take a close look at Dart or dislike Google for some reason (see Paul Graham's essay on how to disagree http://www.paulgraham.com/disagree.html http://www.paulgraham.com/disagree.html). If you look at decent JavaScript coders who are fluent with many programming languages they tend to see Dart in a different light, take it for what it is and judge it on its own merit. Maybe focusing on getting the JavaScript community excited was a bit too optimistic. I don't know, you gotta try right? That said, Dart seems to have an easier time with people who come from languages other than JavaScript or with people who only briefly learned JavaScript to do some stuff and wonder why they have to avoid 90% of the language and every library out there uses a slightly different not completely compatible set of conventions to emulate classes, promises, packages …

tosh 12y ago

I also think that the Dart Team expected more uptake from JavaScript people (I also thought that) similar to how the Go people expected the most uptake from C/C++ people. Turns out that people who already are happy with an alternative solution are less likely to switch than people who are already unhappy with the alternative because they are not yet used to it/invested and judge it with fresh eyes (like people from other camps like Python, Ruby, Scala, C#, Haskell, Clojure, …). I personally find it sad that there is such an aggressive backlash against Dart from people who did not really take a close look at Dart or dislike Google for some reason (see Paul Graham's essay on how to disagree http://www.paulgraham.com/disagree.html http://www.paulgraham.com/disagree.html). If you look at decent JavaScript coders who are fluent with many programming languages they tend to see Dart in a different light, take it for what it is and judge it on its own merit. Maybe focusing on getting the JavaScript community excited was a bit too optimistic. I don't know, you gotta try right? That said, Dart seems to have an easier time with people who come from languages other than JavaScript or with people who only briefly learned JavaScript to do some stuff and wonder why they have to avoid 90% of the language and every library out there uses a slightly different not completely compatible set of conventions to emulate classes, promises, packages …