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Angry, much? :)

moron4hire 17y ago
We should all be angry, because a culture of denying accountability is about to saddle us with the biggest paternalistic program of transfer payments ever. We're going to get to pay for Bubba's heart surgery because he couldn't control how many cheeseburgers he ate in one sitting.
- randallsquared 17y ago
  We're going to get to pay for Bubba's heart surgery because he couldn't control how many cheeseburgers he ate in one sitting. No, we're not being made to pay for Bubba's heart surgery because of his overeating. Don't lose sight of who's making us pay for Bubba's surgery; direct your anger, should you feel it, at those who are making and enforcing this, rather than at the bystander whose issues are used as a pawn to justify it. I'm also against public health care, but the solution isn't to outlaw and punish anyone who does something less than perfectly healthy, but to strike at the root of the problem. In this case, of course, the only way to do that may be to move to a cheaper jurisdiction; I don't think there's any way to stop the expanding juggernaut without collapse. All things considered, I'm staying for at least a while.
  - moron4hire 17y ago
    While I agree that we shouldn't be paying for it, and that it is the government's fault for making us pay for it, once the "system" is known, shouldn't the overeater be as much to blame? While an individual is still responsible for paying for their own healthcare, then how they abuse themselves is up to him. In a world were others are responsible for his healthcare, he has a social responsibility to not abuse himself, a social responsibility that I am all too sure will be ignored. This is the fundamental issue with paternalistic programs. If you give the public responsibility over a person's well being, they will also require the means to control that person's activities. Unfortunately, I think national healthcare is a foregone conclusion, and not just single-payer-health-insurance, I mean full the "doctors are government employees" thing. Too many people have conflated health care with a right.

Angry, much? :)

We should all be angry, because a culture of denying accountability is about to saddle us with the biggest paternalistic program of transfer payments ever. We're going to get to pay for Bubba's heart surgery because he couldn't control how many cheeseburgers he ate in one sitting.

randallsquared 17y ago
We're going to get to pay for Bubba's heart surgery because he couldn't control how many cheeseburgers he ate in one sitting. No, we're not being made to pay for Bubba's heart surgery because of his overeating. Don't lose sight of who's making us pay for Bubba's surgery; direct your anger, should you feel it, at those who are making and enforcing this, rather than at the bystander whose issues are used as a pawn to justify it. I'm also against public health care, but the solution isn't to outlaw and punish anyone who does something less than perfectly healthy, but to strike at the root of the problem. In this case, of course, the only way to do that may be to move to a cheaper jurisdiction; I don't think there's any way to stop the expanding juggernaut without collapse. All things considered, I'm staying for at least a while.
- moron4hire 17y ago
  While I agree that we shouldn't be paying for it, and that it is the government's fault for making us pay for it, once the "system" is known, shouldn't the overeater be as much to blame? While an individual is still responsible for paying for their own healthcare, then how they abuse themselves is up to him. In a world were others are responsible for his healthcare, he has a social responsibility to not abuse himself, a social responsibility that I am all too sure will be ignored. This is the fundamental issue with paternalistic programs. If you give the public responsibility over a person's well being, they will also require the means to control that person's activities. Unfortunately, I think national healthcare is a foregone conclusion, and not just single-payer-health-insurance, I mean full the "doctors are government employees" thing. Too many people have conflated health care with a right.