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Javascript is being replaced by newer (hopefully better) Javascript. That's they only thing browser vendors can get in agreement. There's plenty of other javas

by u124556 12y ago

Javascript is being replaced by newer (hopefully better) Javascript. That's they only thing browser vendors can get in agreement. There's plenty of other javascript compilers for plenty of languages.

freehunter 12y ago
I really wish there way a way of coding for the web that didn't require [backend language] + [front end language] + Javascript (might be the same as previous two) + HTML + CSS. If I want to write a website in Python, I still need to know Javascript, HTML, and CSS, so why bother with Python?
- bad_user 12y ago
  Don't use Python then. Prefer a language that has compilers targeting Javascript instead. Candidates that I have tried: Clojure & Scala. And I'm sure there are others. People don't talk that much about it because Javascript being used as a compilation target is a fairly new trend.
- ecspike 12y ago
  There are some GWT-like things for Python, pyjs and pyjamas. Doesn't get you away from CSS though.
- riquito 12y ago
  > If I want to write a website in Python, I still need to know Javascript, HTML, and CSS, so why bother with Python? Because you don't want to write your backend in Javascript and you prefer a different language. You don't have to know well only one language in your lifetime.
- hcarvalhoalves 12y ago
  > If I want to write a website in Python, I still need to know Javascript, HTML, and CSS, so why bother with Python? Libraries. Backend code can be quite different than frontend depending on your requisites. E.g., there's no SQLAlchemy for Node. HTML and CSS are quite different things, you can't escape that.
  - freehunter 12y ago
    Sorry, I should have mentioned the "why bother with python" was rhetorical. I know the answer, I was just expressing frustration at the barrier to entry that doesn't need to exist.
- zo1 12y ago
  "If I want to write a website in Python, I still need to know Javascript, HTML, and CSS, so why bother with Python?" Right tool for the right job. That's why I don't think you should use css on the server! Or haskell on the client's browser!
  - efnx 12y ago
    Can you elaborate on why Haskell is not appropriate for the browser? Just for clarification, it is a general purpose language whereas CSS is not.
    - zo1 12y ago
      No particular reason. It was the first example language that popped into my head when I was thinking of "what language do I think really doesn't belong in a client browser". i.e. my personal opinion. I'm sure it's a perfectly valid option to put in the browser, though.
      - efnx 12y ago
        I agree with you that you should use the right tool for the job. No CSS on the server :) There are a couple of projects (ghcjs, fay, purescript, haste) that make it possible to write Haskell for the browser. After maintaining JS libraries with a team over the past three years I've come to wish for Haskell's type system and compiler. It would make my job much easier. :)

by u124556 12y ago

Javascript is being replaced by newer (hopefully better) Javascript. That's they only thing browser vendors can get in agreement. There's plenty of other javascript compilers for plenty of languages.

freehunter 12y ago

I really wish there way a way of coding for the web that didn't require [backend language] + [front end language] + Javascript (might be the same as previous two) + HTML + CSS. If I want to write a website in Python, I still need to know Javascript, HTML, and CSS, so why bother with Python?

bad_user 12y ago
Don't use Python then. Prefer a language that has compilers targeting Javascript instead. Candidates that I have tried: Clojure & Scala. And I'm sure there are others. People don't talk that much about it because Javascript being used as a compilation target is a fairly new trend.
ecspike 12y ago
There are some GWT-like things for Python, pyjs and pyjamas. Doesn't get you away from CSS though.
riquito 12y ago
> If I want to write a website in Python, I still need to know Javascript, HTML, and CSS, so why bother with Python? Because you don't want to write your backend in Javascript and you prefer a different language. You don't have to know well only one language in your lifetime.
hcarvalhoalves 12y ago
> If I want to write a website in Python, I still need to know Javascript, HTML, and CSS, so why bother with Python? Libraries. Backend code can be quite different than frontend depending on your requisites. E.g., there's no SQLAlchemy for Node. HTML and CSS are quite different things, you can't escape that.
- freehunter 12y ago
  Sorry, I should have mentioned the "why bother with python" was rhetorical. I know the answer, I was just expressing frustration at the barrier to entry that doesn't need to exist.
zo1 12y ago
"If I want to write a website in Python, I still need to know Javascript, HTML, and CSS, so why bother with Python?" Right tool for the right job. That's why I don't think you should use css on the server! Or haskell on the client's browser!
- efnx 12y ago
  Can you elaborate on why Haskell is not appropriate for the browser? Just for clarification, it is a general purpose language whereas CSS is not.
  - zo1 12y ago
    No particular reason. It was the first example language that popped into my head when I was thinking of "what language do I think really doesn't belong in a client browser". i.e. my personal opinion. I'm sure it's a perfectly valid option to put in the browser, though.
    - efnx 12y ago
      I agree with you that you should use the right tool for the job. No CSS on the server :) There are a couple of projects (ghcjs, fay, purescript, haste) that make it possible to write Haskell for the browser. After maintaining JS libraries with a team over the past three years I've come to wish for Haskell's type system and compiler. It would make my job much easier. :)