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Well.. I knew our(US) government downplaying Snowden's credentials was just propaganda(lies)... But wow, were they ever downplaying his credentials. And our me

by Rapzid 12y ago

Well.. I knew our(US) government downplaying Snowden's credentials was just propaganda(lies)... But wow, were they ever downplaying his credentials. And our media was mostly content to just spread the propaganda with a smile :|

toyg 12y ago
As a European, I've always been somewhat aware of a certain degree of internal propaganda going on in US media (things like different magazine covers for international editions were always quite glaring), but since 2001 the situation worsened so much, I do feel for you guys. Lessons from the '00s were not learnt, US newsrooms are full of sycophantic Judith Millers and people like Greenwald are still ostracized. EDIT: not that Europe is much better, eh -- just slightly (or it's just done more subtly over here).
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- dan_bk 12y ago
  > a certain degree of internal propaganda going on in US media The movie industry is one of the very powerful tools for shaping the public opinion in the US. This obviously includes TV series ("24" is an example for not-so-subtle manipulative material).
  - jsmeaton 12y ago
    Are the shows made because they are now more relevant, or are they made to influence? shrug
prostoalex 12y ago
Not a month goes by without an article (usually in the op-ed section of a major newspaper) calling him a defector to Russia. People conveniently forget that Russia was his transit country after he left Hong Kong and planned to arrive in another country (presumably Cuba or Venezuela), but it was the United States government that didn't cancel his passport when he was in Hong Kong, didn't cancel his passport when he arrived at his destination country, but cancelled his passport right at the point when he arrived in Russian airport transit zone but before his transfer flight departed.
- dllthomas 12y ago
  Didn't just cancel his passport, either - they made it clear they would force down any plane they thought he might be on.
- csandreasen 12y ago
  They didn't revoke his passport when he was in Russia, they revoked his passport the day before he left Hong Kong [1]. He traveled to Russia on what turned out to be an invalid travel document issued by the Ecuadorian embassy in London [2] (same one that Julian Assange is holed up in). [1] http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ap-source-nsa-leaker-snowdens-passport-revoked http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ap-source-nsa-leaker-snowdens... [2] http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/02/ecuador-rafael-correa-snowden-mistake http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/02/ecuador-rafael-...

by Rapzid 12y ago

toyg 12y ago

As a European, I've always been somewhat aware of a certain degree of internal propaganda going on in US media (things like different magazine covers for international editions were always quite glaring), but since 2001 the situation worsened so much, I do feel for you guys. Lessons from the '00s were not learnt, US newsrooms are full of sycophantic Judith Millers and people like Greenwald are still ostracized. EDIT: not that Europe is much better, eh -- just slightly (or it's just done more subtly over here).

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dan_bk 12y ago
> a certain degree of internal propaganda going on in US media The movie industry is one of the very powerful tools for shaping the public opinion in the US. This obviously includes TV series ("24" is an example for not-so-subtle manipulative material).
- jsmeaton 12y ago
  Are the shows made because they are now more relevant, or are they made to influence? shrug

prostoalex 12y ago

Not a month goes by without an article (usually in the op-ed section of a major newspaper) calling him a defector to Russia. People conveniently forget that Russia was his transit country after he left Hong Kong and planned to arrive in another country (presumably Cuba or Venezuela), but it was the United States government that didn't cancel his passport when he was in Hong Kong, didn't cancel his passport when he arrived at his destination country, but cancelled his passport right at the point when he arrived in Russian airport transit zone but before his transfer flight departed.

dllthomas 12y ago
Didn't just cancel his passport, either - they made it clear they would force down any plane they thought he might be on.
csandreasen 12y ago
They didn't revoke his passport when he was in Russia, they revoked his passport the day before he left Hong Kong [1]. He traveled to Russia on what turned out to be an invalid travel document issued by the Ecuadorian embassy in London [2] (same one that Julian Assange is holed up in). [1] http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ap-source-nsa-leaker-snowdens-passport-revoked http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ap-source-nsa-leaker-snowdens... [2] http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/02/ecuador-rafael-correa-snowden-mistake http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/02/ecuador-rafael-...