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Well no. You can't just take someone's work and then use "we're breathing life into your ecosystem" as an excuse. Java makes sense for some applications, proba

by blub 12y ago

Well no. You can't just take someone's work and then use "we're breathing life into your ecosystem" as an excuse. Java makes sense for some applications, probably not for what you're doing. I mean if you want to pick a stack on the server (not talking about websites) that's in wide use, has a big pool of programmers to choose from and capable tooling what can you pick? Java and .NET pretty much and the latter is getting super-expensive as many here will testify. Sun was a company, not a charity.

rbanffy 12y ago
If Google decided to turn Android around and use, say, Go, as its main development language, do you think there would be many new developers willing to learn Java? As it is now we are already at a point not that many people are willing/eager to learn Java. Push it further and it becomes COBOL. It's not about what Google did. It's about whether it benefits the Java ecosystem or not.
- pjmlp 12y ago
  > As it is now we are already at a point not that many people are willing/eager to learn Java. Push it further and it becomes COBOL. Maybe the hipsters. I see no shortage of Java developers around here.
  - rbanffy 12y ago
    There is no shortage now, but every segment where Java ceases to be a viable option is one less reason to learn it. If Google decides to move on to something else, less people will be interested in learning Java, which was the original point of this discussion: whether Google's use of Java was beneficial to Sun and Oracle. Oracle's decision to sue indicates Google's use of Java was, somehow, detrimental while I have a strong impression it's the exact opposite: Google kept Java viable in mobile computing and Oracle benefits from the network effects. J2ME is not a credible revenue source these days. For the last couple years, all Java code I wrote was intended to run on Android devices. If it weren't for Android, I'd have no reason whatsoever to bother doing it.
    - pjmlp 12y ago
      > J2ME is not a credible revenue source these days. You mean Bluray licenses, Smart cards, embedded devices, car infotainment systems, radio controlled temperature meters, factory assembly line controllers .... ? > For the last couple years, all Java code I wrote was intended to run on Android devices. If it weren't for Android, I'd have no reason whatsoever to bother doing it. I take you don't work in the enterprise world, then.
      - rbanffy 12y ago
        > You mean Bluray licenses, Smart cards, embedded devices, car infotainment systems, radio controlled temperature meters, factory assembly line controllers .... ? Do you have the numbers? For me, smartcards excepted, all those things based on J2ME are on their way out.
        pjmlp 12y ago
        No, I don't have the numbers, just company talks at IoT conferences.

by blub 12y ago

rbanffy 12y ago

If Google decided to turn Android around and use, say, Go, as its main development language, do you think there would be many new developers willing to learn Java? As it is now we are already at a point not that many people are willing/eager to learn Java. Push it further and it becomes COBOL. It's not about what Google did. It's about whether it benefits the Java ecosystem or not.

pjmlp 12y ago
> As it is now we are already at a point not that many people are willing/eager to learn Java. Push it further and it becomes COBOL. Maybe the hipsters. I see no shortage of Java developers around here.
- rbanffy 12y ago
  There is no shortage now, but every segment where Java ceases to be a viable option is one less reason to learn it. If Google decides to move on to something else, less people will be interested in learning Java, which was the original point of this discussion: whether Google's use of Java was beneficial to Sun and Oracle. Oracle's decision to sue indicates Google's use of Java was, somehow, detrimental while I have a strong impression it's the exact opposite: Google kept Java viable in mobile computing and Oracle benefits from the network effects. J2ME is not a credible revenue source these days. For the last couple years, all Java code I wrote was intended to run on Android devices. If it weren't for Android, I'd have no reason whatsoever to bother doing it.
  - pjmlp 12y ago
    > J2ME is not a credible revenue source these days. You mean Bluray licenses, Smart cards, embedded devices, car infotainment systems, radio controlled temperature meters, factory assembly line controllers .... ? > For the last couple years, all Java code I wrote was intended to run on Android devices. If it weren't for Android, I'd have no reason whatsoever to bother doing it. I take you don't work in the enterprise world, then.
    - rbanffy 12y ago
      > You mean Bluray licenses, Smart cards, embedded devices, car infotainment systems, radio controlled temperature meters, factory assembly line controllers .... ? Do you have the numbers? For me, smartcards excepted, all those things based on J2ME are on their way out.
      - pjmlp 12y ago
        No, I don't have the numbers, just company talks at IoT conferences.