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"public health delivery systems" alas include the recipents. Antivax superstition in the west is a "final mile" kind of problem; we have everything else in pla

"public health delivery systems" alas include the recipents. Antivax superstition in the west is a "final mile" kind of problem; we have everything else in place and working pretty well.

einhverfr 12y ago
To be fair, when the pro-vaxxers don't differentiate between Varicella vaccine, Gardisil, and Measles vaccines in arguments, anti-vaxxers are more or less invited to use the same equivalence. What is needed in the US is a more nuanced view on vaccination, and a realization that one can be against endlessly pushing ever-expanding vaccine regimens, but still in favor of widespread and routine vaccines for those few serious diseases for which vaccination is really ideally suited. But once everything is black and white, usually both sides are wrong.
- true_religion 12y ago
  I think the push back in the US is coming because: (a) people don't see the disease and thus are less scared of it, their imagined consequences of vaccination and (b) it appears the government will always choose to vaccinate if a vaccine isn't specifically required to stop disease transmission, the disease itself is not life threatening, and against parental opposition
  - einhverfr 12y ago
    These but also you can't push varicella vaccinations and such under the same logic as measles vaccinations. BTW, I am against the sort of vaccine proliferation which leads the CDC to push for everyone to get an annual flu shot every year, for every kid to be vaccinated against chicken pox, etc. I think there is a real sense of "oh we have a vaccine to prevent that" and that gets pushed regardless of the severity of the illness. But dividing everything into pro-vax vs anti-vax means we can't have a discussion about when we should be pushing vaccines (measles) and when we really should be leaving it to families to make the decisions (HPV, influenza, chicken pox, etc).

"public health delivery systems" alas include the recipents. Antivax superstition in the west is a "final mile" kind of problem; we have everything else in place and working pretty well.

einhverfr 12y ago

To be fair, when the pro-vaxxers don't differentiate between Varicella vaccine, Gardisil, and Measles vaccines in arguments, anti-vaxxers are more or less invited to use the same equivalence. What is needed in the US is a more nuanced view on vaccination, and a realization that one can be against endlessly pushing ever-expanding vaccine regimens, but still in favor of widespread and routine vaccines for those few serious diseases for which vaccination is really ideally suited. But once everything is black and white, usually both sides are wrong.

true_religion 12y ago
I think the push back in the US is coming because: (a) people don't see the disease and thus are less scared of it, their imagined consequences of vaccination and (b) it appears the government will always choose to vaccinate if a vaccine isn't specifically required to stop disease transmission, the disease itself is not life threatening, and against parental opposition
- einhverfr 12y ago
  These but also you can't push varicella vaccinations and such under the same logic as measles vaccinations. BTW, I am against the sort of vaccine proliferation which leads the CDC to push for everyone to get an annual flu shot every year, for every kid to be vaccinated against chicken pox, etc. I think there is a real sense of "oh we have a vaccine to prevent that" and that gets pushed regardless of the severity of the illness. But dividing everything into pro-vax vs anti-vax means we can't have a discussion about when we should be pushing vaccines (measles) and when we really should be leaving it to families to make the decisions (HPV, influenza, chicken pox, etc).