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Open Letter to the Linux World

14 points by user-name 12y ago

ncw33 12y ago
Why post a link to that here? systemd is not perfect, but it's a well-designed and competent piece of work that makes things better for users, developers, and admins. It's been adopted by most distributions now, which must indicate merit. As a developer and user, on balance I'm delighted by the Debian Foundation's decision.
- alaroldai 12y ago
  Wide adoption isn't an indication of merit - look at the wide adoption of Windows for an example. Anyway, for all the developer convenience and technical merit systemd has, it doesn't support an open OS environment - it restricts freedom in favour of convenience, which is precisely the opposite of what many users prefer Linux for.
user-name 12y ago
it's not that it's not perfect - it's dangerous and fundamentally NOT in the spirit of *NIX. It does not makes things better - it makes things more like Windows and Apple. If you feel Windows and/or Apple are better, then I suggest you use them instead. What many younger people seem to think is that Free == no cost. Freedom is about choice and control over your own destiny. systemd is an affront to all of the things GNU/Linux has stood for for two decades. It's been adopted because the main desktop environment has gotten in bed with systemd and now depends on it. I would urge you to think about it in terms of how this adoption will limit choice in the future, and ultimately cede control of literally all of Linux's underpinnings to a single entity. Has nothing Snowden revealed gotten into your head yet?
guilloche 12y ago
systemd seems bloated and could not be cleanly replaced. I'm using arch linux, even if I removed systemd completely, all daemon-related packages would still install systemd configuration files.
nailer 12y ago
I'm praying at the alter of simplicity too. Replacing shell scripts, daemonizing techniques, supervisord, and tools to drop privilege more easily with .service files makes adding services simpler.

14 points by user-name 12y ago

ncw33 12y ago

Why post a link to that here? systemd is not perfect, but it's a well-designed and competent piece of work that makes things better for users, developers, and admins. It's been adopted by most distributions now, which must indicate merit. As a developer and user, on balance I'm delighted by the Debian Foundation's decision.

alaroldai 12y ago
Wide adoption isn't an indication of merit - look at the wide adoption of Windows for an example. Anyway, for all the developer convenience and technical merit systemd has, it doesn't support an open OS environment - it restricts freedom in favour of convenience, which is precisely the opposite of what many users prefer Linux for.

user-name 12y ago

it's not that it's not perfect - it's dangerous and fundamentally NOT in the spirit of *NIX. It does not makes things better - it makes things more like Windows and Apple. If you feel Windows and/or Apple are better, then I suggest you use them instead. What many younger people seem to think is that Free == no cost. Freedom is about choice and control over your own destiny. systemd is an affront to all of the things GNU/Linux has stood for for two decades. It's been adopted because the main desktop environment has gotten in bed with systemd and now depends on it. I would urge you to think about it in terms of how this adoption will limit choice in the future, and ultimately cede control of literally all of Linux's underpinnings to a single entity. Has nothing Snowden revealed gotten into your head yet?

guilloche 12y ago

systemd seems bloated and could not be cleanly replaced. I'm using arch linux, even if I removed systemd completely, all daemon-related packages would still install systemd configuration files.

nailer 12y ago

I'm praying at the alter of simplicity too. Replacing shell scripts, daemonizing techniques, supervisord, and tools to drop privilege more easily with .service files makes adding services simpler.