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It's pretty simple, Uber understands that to win the game, you need the a supply of drivers that just barely exceeds the demand for rides, to avoid surge pricin
by CodeWriter23 12y ago
It's pretty simple, Uber understands that to win the game, you need the a supply of drivers that just barely exceeds the demand for rides, to avoid surge pricing. To digress for a moment, surge pricing is brilliant in that it gets riders to volunteer to wait a long time for a ride, instead of getting pissed off like they do at Taxis, or give them the choice to pay up for an expedited ride. Anyway, the recruiting strategy worked for them in SF, they recruited so many Lyft drivers that Lyft was almost constantly in "Prime Time" (their name for surge pricing), that riders got upset and switched to Uber. It's at the intersection Business 101 and Econ 101 if you ask me.
The only pushback I've seen from Lyft is mobilizing drivers to hand out free ride cards at slammed venues, like music festivals, when Lyft is at maximum Prime Time of 300% and Uber is at 800-1300%. Not a bad strategy, but basically, Uber is giving Lyft a hyper wedgie by cutting right into their supply.
To put the cancellations into context, I met a Lyft driver who was recruited by Uber. He told me the same lady was recruiting in his area on an ongoing basis, just catching rides to make the pitch (which is a TOS violation on either platform). He said the recruiter would request a ride, sometimes 4 or 5 times, and keep getting him, then she would cancel shortly afterward when she recognized his name. So yeah, I'm sure some Lyft drivers spent gas, time and miles, but I also believe for the most part, the cancellations occurred in a minute or less.
As far as which company are the biggest assholes, I think you need to look at it with some historical context. Uber started out as a company that created a better dispatch system for Black Cars, and got Livery companies and independent Limo drivers to sign on. That was good, because riders and drivers could be paired based on proximity. Combine that with Uber's marketing to increase ridership, and it is an all-around win. The savings/increased business for your average Livery operator more than made up for the Uber commission.
Then Lyft comes along and says "Hey, let's open this up to your average joe with his car and car payment". Ok, so what they are doing actually is sucking the equity out of people's cars, because by the time you amortize all the expenses, you're making $10-$15 an hour (on Lyft, Uber you can make more), you might as well work for In-N-Out and get benefits too. Not to mention the insurance issues if you get into a wreck and its your fault (cancellation and no payout on your collision policy). Sure, the network will cover your liability, but only because they have been forced to by regulators. I classify this type of business (and AirBNB too) as "Slumlord 2.0". Slumlords buy an asset and drain the equity out of it for profit. Slumlord 2.0s drain the equity out of someone else's asset for profit. Uber had to counter Lyft with UberX, and get into the Slumlord 2.0 game themselves.
Bottom line for me, I drive for them both, and I hate them both. I tolerate them because they enable me to continue to work on my startup, or I guess I should say, reboot of the family business. I can't wait to be done driving for them and become a rider.
- antihero 12y agoOut of interest - how much vetting and background checks do Uber do on their drivers? I was under impression that the heavy regulation of taxis was at least in-part to protect the safety of drivers from maniacs/rapists/etc, and the medallion system ensured that there drivers were registered and checked. Does Uber have a similar process? I mean I'm all for deregulation of a broken/corrupt system, but protecting people's safety is paramount - perhaps Uber/Lyft do need to be regulated at least in part, just not with the currently over-regulated (?) system.
- jordanthoms 12y agoYou can require a special license for taxi drivers so you can check them without having a medallion system - we've been doing it since 1989 in NZ.
- arebop 12y agoYou can always choose "Black Car" (the original Uber offering). They have all the traditional livery bonafides, licenses, etc.
- antihero 12y agoSo does that mean that UberX is completely unregulated and can just be some totally random person? That seems wholly irresponsible and dangerous.
- orcdork 12y agoCould you expand on why you consider AirBnb (and i assume similar services) as a slumlord model? A house is generally losing or gaining value depending on other things (house marker, economy, demographics etc), rather than use.
- JabavuAdams 12y agoWhen you buy a home, you're mostly paying for location, barring outliers like huge mansions. But that's not just the physical geography. On the whole, homeowners take better care of their properties than tenants do. They also have an incentive to be better neighbours than short-term tenants. So, by introducing short-term tenants into an area, you are adding risk and loss of stability to the other homeowners. Go to an area that has a lot of rooming houses. It's not as nice as a purely residential area. That will eventually be reflected in resale values. So, the slumlord is externalizing the downsides and draining equity from the neighbours.