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Ancient shellfish remains rewrite 10,000-year history of El Niño cycles

39 points by happyscrappy 12y ago

vanderZwan 12y ago
> The new data is more reliable, Carré said, for three reasons: the Peruvian coast is strongly affected by El Niño; the shells record ocean temperature, which is the most important parameter for the El Niño cycles; and the ability to record seasonal changes, the timescale at which El Niño can be observed. Emphasis mine. I'm kind of curious how the shells encode that temperature information. Growth speed? Chemical changes?
- qbrass 12y ago
  FTA: "While in graduate school, Carré had developed a technique to analyze shell layers to get ocean temperatures, using carbon dating of charcoal from fires to get the year, and the ratio of oxygen isotopes in the growth layers to get the water temperatures as the shell was forming."
  - contingencies 12y ago
    So it's his own pet technique. How well supported is it by the rest of the scientific community?
- cwal37 12y ago
  If I recall correctly (and it's been a few years since my oceanography seminar), it has to do with the ratio of component elements in the shells of benthic fauna. They're pulling those elements in as a part of the growth of those structures, and the ratio of different gases changes based on the temperature. EDIT: Looked it up, I had the gist of it I guess. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleothermometer#Mg.2FCa_and_Sr.2FCa http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleothermometer#Mg.2FCa_and_Sr... I imagine the techniques now are more refined than what is exactly mentioned there. Semi-related, I got to take sediment cores from a Ramsar wetland while in South Africa in order to pick them apart for pollen to try and indirectly measure early-Holocene temperatures using the ecology as a proxy. Interesting stuff, and fun to be in the field.
ChuckMcM 12y ago
My favorite quote: > “We thought we understood what influences the El Niño > mode of climate variation, and we’ve been able to show > that we actually don’t understand it very well,” said > Julian Sachs, a UW professor of oceanography. One of the interesting thing about the press on climate change it means more dollars to investigate. When the AIDS epidemic started it quintupled the amount of money being invested in cell biology research, which has lead to lots of interesting discoveries about how cells work, how viruses work, etc. All the investment in the components of climate is going to open up a lot of interesting avenues of both research and action. And hopefully inform when action is either unwarranted or would be ineffective.

39 points by happyscrappy 12y ago

> The new data is more reliable, Carré said, for three reasons: the Peruvian coast is strongly affected by El Niño; the shells record ocean temperature, which is the most important parameter for the El Niño cycles; and the ability to record seasonal changes, the timescale at which El Niño can be observed. Emphasis mine. I'm kind of curious how the shells encode that temperature information. Growth speed? Chemical changes?

qbrass 12y ago
FTA: "While in graduate school, Carré had developed a technique to analyze shell layers to get ocean temperatures, using carbon dating of charcoal from fires to get the year, and the ratio of oxygen isotopes in the growth layers to get the water temperatures as the shell was forming."
- contingencies 12y ago
  So it's his own pet technique. How well supported is it by the rest of the scientific community?
cwal37 12y ago
If I recall correctly (and it's been a few years since my oceanography seminar), it has to do with the ratio of component elements in the shells of benthic fauna. They're pulling those elements in as a part of the growth of those structures, and the ratio of different gases changes based on the temperature. EDIT: Looked it up, I had the gist of it I guess. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleothermometer#Mg.2FCa_and_Sr.2FCa http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleothermometer#Mg.2FCa_and_Sr... I imagine the techniques now are more refined than what is exactly mentioned there. Semi-related, I got to take sediment cores from a Ramsar wetland while in South Africa in order to pick them apart for pollen to try and indirectly measure early-Holocene temperatures using the ecology as a proxy. Interesting stuff, and fun to be in the field.

ChuckMcM 12y ago

My favorite quote: > “We thought we understood what influences the El Niño > mode of climate variation, and we’ve been able to show > that we actually don’t understand it very well,” said > Julian Sachs, a UW professor of oceanography. One of the interesting thing about the press on climate change it means more dollars to investigate. When the AIDS epidemic started it quintupled the amount of money being invested in cell biology research, which has lead to lots of interesting discoveries about how cells work, how viruses work, etc. All the investment in the components of climate is going to open up a lot of interesting avenues of both research and action. And hopefully inform when action is either unwarranted or would be ineffective.