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Do one thing and do it well. This is a motto for more than UNIX in my opinion. Are you hacking or are you retreating and obtaining social justice? Because mean

by jqm 12y ago

Do one thing and do it well. This is a motto for more than UNIX in my opinion. Are you hacking or are you retreating and obtaining social justice? Because meanwhile, real hackers are really hacking and they generally don't care about gender ratio nor group retreats to Costa Rica. Don't think this is a dig just at this conference either. I get irate when I see fireman in uniform out collecting for charity and things like cowboy or biker churches. Fireman should be fighting fires. Churches shouldn't have anything to do with cowboys nor bikers (not a church attender...just something personally annoying I noticed). Separate your concerns and you won't lose sight of the proper function of each component. Just my opinion. Others may feel differently.

jiggy2011 12y ago
Firefighters should be fighting fires 24/7 and not have enough free time to do charity work?
- jqm 12y ago
  Sure, they should have plenty of time to do charity work. On their own time, out of uniform, as individual citizens, as members of the Elks Lodge, members of a church, members of a soup kitchen, whatever,.... just not on work hours as firefighters. Their job in that capacity should be simply to fight fires (and perform related public services). Again, just my opinion.
  - jiggy2011 12y ago
    Do firefighters routinely do charity collection while on the clock? I don't think I've ever heard of that, but I'm from the UK not the US. Are they from small fire depts that operate as charities and rely on donations to stay open or are they collecting for unrelated charities?
    - jqm 12y ago
      Yes, it's pretty common in the US. They stand at traffic lights in uniform with empty fireman boots for passing motorists to deposit money for causes unrelated to the fireman mission... Muscular Dystrophy research among other things. And to respond to above post, yes, they are often being paid while doing this http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2011/may/01/charity-taxpayer-dime-again-under-fire/ http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2011/may/01/charity-taxpayer.... But the point is not about receiving payment. The point is, they are representing themselves as fireman out doing something other than fighting fires. And this irkes me. I'd love to go to Costa Rica and plan to at some point in the future. But when I go to Costa Rica I'm going to surf and drink beer and eat a lot of seafood and lie in a hammock and do some shopping. I certainly don't plan to waste time in front of a computer writing code during this period. I do that here every day and I don't dream about Costa Rica nor worry about how many women nor minorities are in cubes next to me while I'm doing it.
      - lotsofmangos 12y ago
        So, firemen raising money for muscular dystrophy research during the time when they have not been called to put out a fire actually annoys you? There may be a word for this. Possibly several.
        jqm 12y ago
        Yes, it does annoy me (not a major annoyance but an annoyance still). Do you disagree with separation of concerns or feel firefighters are raising more money than their salaries and expense of getting them there? If so, don't be shy. Just tell me you disagree and why. There are words for people who make comments with implied insults. Passive aggressive is one of them.
        lotsofmangos 12y ago
        The fire service has a lot of downtime, yet you still have to have a lot of folk salaried, not all of them can just be on call. Given you have a lot of salaried folk sitting there waiting for fires to occur, I see no reason for them to not help out with other things. They are being paid to sit around a lot otherwise. And sorry if you thought I was being passive aggressive, I was aiming more for comedic sarcasm.
  - tych0 12y ago
    I highly doubt any firefighters are doing charity work while getting paid. Most of them are probably just wearing the uniform because kids think firefighters are cool. And firefighers _are_ cool, so I don't think it is completely unwarranted.
AlexeyMK 12y ago
Fair enough. For us, the thing we are trying to 'do well' is to build the sort of community that we'd enjoy living in while we work on our various projects. Perhaps it's a point of personal preference, but we enjoy living within a diverse community. Disagree with our values or priorities? No worries - start your own flavor of community project and let's exchange notes. Ain't the free market grand.
- jqm 12y ago
  Well I wish you the best of luck. I'm sure there are plenty of people with whom this project will jive. I don't see it. But I'm in my 40's, have no tattoos, no fedora, a normal haircut and no beard so I don't know that diversity extends far enough for me anyway. For me, hacking is not about vacation nor social engineering and never the twain shall meet. But style preferences may vary. If it works for others, by all means disregard and carry on. I'm not intending to start a community. There are already plenty of those that grew organically over the decades where I live. I generally turn up my nose at them as well, so don't take it personally. Making a better living space is a laudable goal.

by jqm 12y ago

jiggy2011 12y ago

Firefighters should be fighting fires 24/7 and not have enough free time to do charity work?

jqm 12y ago
Sure, they should have plenty of time to do charity work. On their own time, out of uniform, as individual citizens, as members of the Elks Lodge, members of a church, members of a soup kitchen, whatever,.... just not on work hours as firefighters. Their job in that capacity should be simply to fight fires (and perform related public services). Again, just my opinion.
- jiggy2011 12y ago
  Do firefighters routinely do charity collection while on the clock? I don't think I've ever heard of that, but I'm from the UK not the US. Are they from small fire depts that operate as charities and rely on donations to stay open or are they collecting for unrelated charities?
  - jqm 12y ago
    Yes, it's pretty common in the US. They stand at traffic lights in uniform with empty fireman boots for passing motorists to deposit money for causes unrelated to the fireman mission... Muscular Dystrophy research among other things. And to respond to above post, yes, they are often being paid while doing this http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2011/may/01/charity-taxpayer-dime-again-under-fire/ http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2011/may/01/charity-taxpayer.... But the point is not about receiving payment. The point is, they are representing themselves as fireman out doing something other than fighting fires. And this irkes me. I'd love to go to Costa Rica and plan to at some point in the future. But when I go to Costa Rica I'm going to surf and drink beer and eat a lot of seafood and lie in a hammock and do some shopping. I certainly don't plan to waste time in front of a computer writing code during this period. I do that here every day and I don't dream about Costa Rica nor worry about how many women nor minorities are in cubes next to me while I'm doing it.
    - lotsofmangos 12y ago
      So, firemen raising money for muscular dystrophy research during the time when they have not been called to put out a fire actually annoys you? There may be a word for this. Possibly several.
      - jqm 12y ago
        Yes, it does annoy me (not a major annoyance but an annoyance still). Do you disagree with separation of concerns or feel firefighters are raising more money than their salaries and expense of getting them there? If so, don't be shy. Just tell me you disagree and why. There are words for people who make comments with implied insults. Passive aggressive is one of them.
        lotsofmangos 12y ago
        The fire service has a lot of downtime, yet you still have to have a lot of folk salaried, not all of them can just be on call. Given you have a lot of salaried folk sitting there waiting for fires to occur, I see no reason for them to not help out with other things. They are being paid to sit around a lot otherwise. And sorry if you thought I was being passive aggressive, I was aiming more for comedic sarcasm.
- tych0 12y ago
  I highly doubt any firefighters are doing charity work while getting paid. Most of them are probably just wearing the uniform because kids think firefighters are cool. And firefighers _are_ cool, so I don't think it is completely unwarranted.

AlexeyMK 12y ago

Fair enough. For us, the thing we are trying to 'do well' is to build the sort of community that we'd enjoy living in while we work on our various projects. Perhaps it's a point of personal preference, but we enjoy living within a diverse community. Disagree with our values or priorities? No worries - start your own flavor of community project and let's exchange notes. Ain't the free market grand.

jqm 12y ago
Well I wish you the best of luck. I'm sure there are plenty of people with whom this project will jive. I don't see it. But I'm in my 40's, have no tattoos, no fedora, a normal haircut and no beard so I don't know that diversity extends far enough for me anyway. For me, hacking is not about vacation nor social engineering and never the twain shall meet. But style preferences may vary. If it works for others, by all means disregard and carry on. I'm not intending to start a community. There are already plenty of those that grew organically over the decades where I live. I generally turn up my nose at them as well, so don't take it personally. Making a better living space is a laudable goal.