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Feminism meaning a belief that women should be treated equally to men? Hopefully all of them, and the other 53% too.

by Squarel 12y ago

facepalm 12y ago
No the real feminism, meaning a belief that all women are victims and all men are wannabe rapists who can barely contain themselves. A no harassment policy is a red flag for me because it indicates a negative prejudice against men. But you'll welcome that, because every man who doesn't apply is good for the statistics, right? But on a deeper note, I wondered if the quota was because of the bows to feminist propaganda or merely because of the advertising with women coder groups.
- ceejayoz 12y ago
  > A no harassment policy is a red flag for me because it indicates a negative prejudice against men. If saying "no harassment!" feels like an attack against men, that's an indication that you have a horribly negative outlook towards men.
  - facepalm 12y ago
    Well I've never heard men cry for a no harassment policy. Of course it is an attack against men - it implies that men need such policies and firm authority from the organizers to keep their lower instincts in check. But you know - I only tell you how I feel about it. You don't have to care. It's just my personal opinion that to me it would be a turn off. Just like men playing kicker is apparently a turn off to women. Granted even independent of gender it would be a turn off to me, because I don't want to mingle with people who need to be reminded of basic decency. Edit: I can not reply further. I don't think you understand my point at all. But to roll with your example: imagine you read an advertisement for a coding retreat, and the first line says "NO MURDER ALLOWED". Would that make you feel more safe or less safe about attending? Since you are hell bent on disagreeing with me you'll probably claim "more safe", but I am pretty sure in general it would come across a bit weird. You don't need a "don't murder" policy, because it is implied. So why isn't "no harassment" implied? By stating it, you imply that it is not implied, so you are effectively saying your attendants are prone to harass people.
    - ceejayoz 12y ago
      > Of course it is an attack against men - it implies that men need such policies and firm authority from the organizers to keep their lower instincts in check. Are laws against murder similarly "attacks on men", who are disproportionately likely to commit them? If you're not going to go around harassing people, you have little to fear from a no harassment policy. I don't personally need a "no murder" policy, but I'm fairly happy society has them.
      - facepalm 12y ago
        You misunderstood: the policy is not an attack on men because it prevents them from harassing people. It's an attack on men because it's sole function is to cement prejudice against men. It's signalling "men are disproportionally likely to harass other people" (in your own words). That is in fact it's only function and the reason feminists want push it on conferences (it also signals "women are weak and need protection" a ka "women are victims"). It's function is to transport the feminist narrative. As I wrote in my edit: why don't you have a "no murder" policy, and how would having one make you feel?
        ceejayoz 12y ago
        > As I wrote in my edit: why don't you have a "no murder" policy, and how would having one make you feel? Murder is forbidden by law and thus already covered, whereas much of the harassment encountered in conferences is not actionable criminally (catcalling, comments about body parts, lewd jokes, pressure to have sex, etc.).
    - prutschman 12y ago
      > I don't want to mingle with people who need to be reminded of basic decency. Neither do the people who are being harassed! Unfortunately, such people exist, and the policies are designed to address their actions and how they affect the people around them.
      - facepalm 12y ago
  - idlewords 12y ago
    This is an excellent point. The posted harrassment policy is completely gender neutral. If it's an automatic red flag for you, then you're bringing in your own assumptions about how men behave.
  - TylerE 12y ago
    It represents a realistic understanding of the modern definition of "zero tolerance".

Feminism meaning a belief that women should be treated equally to men? Hopefully all of them, and the other 53% too.

by Squarel 12y ago

Feminism meaning a belief that women should be treated equally to men? Hopefully all of them, and the other 53% too.

No the real feminism, meaning a belief that all women are victims and all men are wannabe rapists who can barely contain themselves. A no harassment policy is a red flag for me because it indicates a negative prejudice against men. But you'll welcome that, because every man who doesn't apply is good for the statistics, right? But on a deeper note, I wondered if the quota was because of the bows to feminist propaganda or merely because of the advertising with women coder groups.

ceejayoz 12y ago
> A no harassment policy is a red flag for me because it indicates a negative prejudice against men. If saying "no harassment!" feels like an attack against men, that's an indication that you have a horribly negative outlook towards men.
- facepalm 12y ago
  Well I've never heard men cry for a no harassment policy. Of course it is an attack against men - it implies that men need such policies and firm authority from the organizers to keep their lower instincts in check. But you know - I only tell you how I feel about it. You don't have to care. It's just my personal opinion that to me it would be a turn off. Just like men playing kicker is apparently a turn off to women. Granted even independent of gender it would be a turn off to me, because I don't want to mingle with people who need to be reminded of basic decency. Edit: I can not reply further. I don't think you understand my point at all. But to roll with your example: imagine you read an advertisement for a coding retreat, and the first line says "NO MURDER ALLOWED". Would that make you feel more safe or less safe about attending? Since you are hell bent on disagreeing with me you'll probably claim "more safe", but I am pretty sure in general it would come across a bit weird. You don't need a "don't murder" policy, because it is implied. So why isn't "no harassment" implied? By stating it, you imply that it is not implied, so you are effectively saying your attendants are prone to harass people.
  - ceejayoz 12y ago
    > Of course it is an attack against men - it implies that men need such policies and firm authority from the organizers to keep their lower instincts in check. Are laws against murder similarly "attacks on men", who are disproportionately likely to commit them? If you're not going to go around harassing people, you have little to fear from a no harassment policy. I don't personally need a "no murder" policy, but I'm fairly happy society has them.
    - facepalm 12y ago
      You misunderstood: the policy is not an attack on men because it prevents them from harassing people. It's an attack on men because it's sole function is to cement prejudice against men. It's signalling "men are disproportionally likely to harass other people" (in your own words). That is in fact it's only function and the reason feminists want push it on conferences (it also signals "women are weak and need protection" a ka "women are victims"). It's function is to transport the feminist narrative. As I wrote in my edit: why don't you have a "no murder" policy, and how would having one make you feel?
      - ceejayoz 12y ago
        > As I wrote in my edit: why don't you have a "no murder" policy, and how would having one make you feel? Murder is forbidden by law and thus already covered, whereas much of the harassment encountered in conferences is not actionable criminally (catcalling, comments about body parts, lewd jokes, pressure to have sex, etc.).
  - prutschman 12y ago
    > I don't want to mingle with people who need to be reminded of basic decency. Neither do the people who are being harassed! Unfortunately, such people exist, and the policies are designed to address their actions and how they affect the people around them.
    - facepalm 12y ago
- idlewords 12y ago
  This is an excellent point. The posted harrassment policy is completely gender neutral. If it's an automatic red flag for you, then you're bringing in your own assumptions about how men behave.
- TylerE 12y ago
  It represents a realistic understanding of the modern definition of "zero tolerance".