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That's assuming that the leak is from a single source (single business or website). Is it conceivable that if you aggregate all leaks it would equal the 1.X bi

by dm2 12y ago

That's assuming that the leak is from a single source (single business or website). Is it conceivable that if you aggregate all leaks it would equal the 1.X billion number referenced? The location of hundreds of thousands of WordPress and similar CMS sites are well known and constantly hit by botnets trying to bruteforce passwords and waiting for site admins to leave a site un-updated, I'm sure they get compromised all the time. I operate several honeypots just for fun and have a list of thousands of sites with malware on them and undoubtedly have had their databases stolen. Then everyone who runs a site (or has sufficient permissions) who is in that hacked database can have their site hacked, and the chain continues. If you delete the malware but fail to fix the security hole, the malware will be back on that site the next day. Why does your Canary site not include larger leaks like the Adobe leak? I think sites like yours are very important for protecting people's online security. Data mining is fun and being able to offer a service to help people stay safe online is a win-win.

afreak 12y ago
Canary does not include data from the Adobe leak because I just haven't bothered. I have considered making it available but because there are many other solutions that are better for such a purpose [1], I'd rather just leave it to them and for the future link to them via Canary's site. In the future I may consider a solution for this but for now it's just not on the priority list. It's a feature I'd like to have but I just don't have a practical way to do it as of yet. Regarding the count, if you go through all the leaks, it barely gets above 250,000,000. This is based on many statistics from Verizon and other initiatives. My estimate is that it is probably less than double that but it cannot be much higher. It would take a few Twitter, Adobe, or Facebook-sized leaks to get to 1.2 billion because even if you had 50,000 Wordpress sites breached and they on average only have 5 accounts per site, it's barely going to make a dent in that 250,000,000 I floated. If 1.2 billion accounts are floating about, someone hasn't spoken up and likely we'd have gotten wind of this by now. Data mining is awesome. :) [1] https://lastpass.com/adobe/ https://lastpass.com/adobe/
- dm2 12y ago
  Adobe + Target + PlayStation leaks alone total over 300 million credentials. AOL 2004 = 92 million AOL 2006 = 20 million Apple 2012 = 12 million Blizzard 2012 = 14 million BNY Mellon 2008 = 12.5 million Cardsystems Solutions 2005 = 40 million Evernote 2013 = 50 million GS Caltex 2008 = 11 million Heartland 2009 = 130 million Living Social 2013 = 50 million RockYou 2009 = 32 million TMobile 2006 = 17 million TJ Maxx 2011 = 94 million US DoD 2009 = 76 million US Dept of Veteran Affairs 2006 = 26.5 million Yahoo 2013 = 22 million Those are only the ones over 10 million before 2014, leaving out some foreign hacks like Auction.co.kr (18 million). (Also UK NHS 8.3 million, LinkedIn 8 million, Ebay, Target, LexisNexis) I promise you that just over 1 billion is about the number of major company leaks that are publicly available. Yes, lots of duplicates between those leaks, but most contain additional valuable data besides just the credentials. ATT, BCBS, Citigroup, Facebook, Gap, Gawker, Chase, Medicaid, Monster.com, Network Solutions, Nintendo, Sega, Starbucks, Twitter, Ubisoft, Washington Post, and numerous government and academic organizations all have hundreds of thousands to millions of credentials publicly available.
  - afreak 12y ago
    I might be willing to concede on this but you also have to take age into account. Let's look at this useful spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmenB57kGPGKdHh6eGpTR2lPQl9NZmo3RlVzQ1N2Ymc&single=true&gid=2&range=A1%3AW400#gid=2 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmenB57kGPGKdHh... And here are the numbers: Hacked: 880,575,016 Inside job: 137,714,840 Accidental: 63,322,485 Lost/stolen: 206,237,702 Misc: 1,825,350 Things like government-issued identification numbers and whatnot are the most severe, so how many people have been affected by that since 2004? If we break it apart by category we start to see how these breaches have become: E-mail addresses: 530,991,405 SSN/PII: 327,471,624 Credit card: 335,772,083 Authentication: 430,756,146 Bank records: 4,270,000 For the first line, it's just a list of e-mail addresses. The latter four are the most severe. Out of that list, what is the most useful? I'd wager the SSN/PII, authentication, and bank records; credit cards are only useful for so long really. This means we're at over 750,000,000 records that may be usable. However, with the authentication portion, we're looking at that being even more useless as time goes on. Accounts from 2004 may not be usable in 2014 either. So yes. We have had over 1.2 billion records leaked, but really how much of that is at all useful? None of these take duplicates into account however.

by dm2 12y ago

afreak 12y ago

Canary does not include data from the Adobe leak because I just haven't bothered. I have considered making it available but because there are many other solutions that are better for such a purpose [1], I'd rather just leave it to them and for the future link to them via Canary's site. In the future I may consider a solution for this but for now it's just not on the priority list. It's a feature I'd like to have but I just don't have a practical way to do it as of yet. Regarding the count, if you go through all the leaks, it barely gets above 250,000,000. This is based on many statistics from Verizon and other initiatives. My estimate is that it is probably less than double that but it cannot be much higher. It would take a few Twitter, Adobe, or Facebook-sized leaks to get to 1.2 billion because even if you had 50,000 Wordpress sites breached and they on average only have 5 accounts per site, it's barely going to make a dent in that 250,000,000 I floated. If 1.2 billion accounts are floating about, someone hasn't spoken up and likely we'd have gotten wind of this by now. Data mining is awesome. :) [1] https://lastpass.com/adobe/ https://lastpass.com/adobe/

dm2 12y ago
Adobe + Target + PlayStation leaks alone total over 300 million credentials. AOL 2004 = 92 million AOL 2006 = 20 million Apple 2012 = 12 million Blizzard 2012 = 14 million BNY Mellon 2008 = 12.5 million Cardsystems Solutions 2005 = 40 million Evernote 2013 = 50 million GS Caltex 2008 = 11 million Heartland 2009 = 130 million Living Social 2013 = 50 million RockYou 2009 = 32 million TMobile 2006 = 17 million TJ Maxx 2011 = 94 million US DoD 2009 = 76 million US Dept of Veteran Affairs 2006 = 26.5 million Yahoo 2013 = 22 million Those are only the ones over 10 million before 2014, leaving out some foreign hacks like Auction.co.kr (18 million). (Also UK NHS 8.3 million, LinkedIn 8 million, Ebay, Target, LexisNexis) I promise you that just over 1 billion is about the number of major company leaks that are publicly available. Yes, lots of duplicates between those leaks, but most contain additional valuable data besides just the credentials. ATT, BCBS, Citigroup, Facebook, Gap, Gawker, Chase, Medicaid, Monster.com, Network Solutions, Nintendo, Sega, Starbucks, Twitter, Ubisoft, Washington Post, and numerous government and academic organizations all have hundreds of thousands to millions of credentials publicly available.
- afreak 12y ago
  I might be willing to concede on this but you also have to take age into account. Let's look at this useful spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmenB57kGPGKdHh6eGpTR2lPQl9NZmo3RlVzQ1N2Ymc&single=true&gid=2&range=A1%3AW400#gid=2 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmenB57kGPGKdHh... And here are the numbers: Hacked: 880,575,016 Inside job: 137,714,840 Accidental: 63,322,485 Lost/stolen: 206,237,702 Misc: 1,825,350 Things like government-issued identification numbers and whatnot are the most severe, so how many people have been affected by that since 2004? If we break it apart by category we start to see how these breaches have become: E-mail addresses: 530,991,405 SSN/PII: 327,471,624 Credit card: 335,772,083 Authentication: 430,756,146 Bank records: 4,270,000 For the first line, it's just a list of e-mail addresses. The latter four are the most severe. Out of that list, what is the most useful? I'd wager the SSN/PII, authentication, and bank records; credit cards are only useful for so long really. This means we're at over 750,000,000 records that may be usable. However, with the authentication portion, we're looking at that being even more useless as time goes on. Accounts from 2004 may not be usable in 2014 either. So yes. We have had over 1.2 billion records leaked, but really how much of that is at all useful? None of these take duplicates into account however.