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The car needs to be able to see well and detect pedestrians, they can already do that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXeUu_Y6WOw https://www.youtube.com/watc

by dm2 12y ago

The car needs to be able to see well and detect pedestrians, they can already do that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXeUu_Y6WOw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXeUu_Y6WOw Note that this was a few years ago, it's undoubtedly better.

lotsofmangos 12y ago
Ok, so in the situation that this code is not perfect, which we know it will not be, what code do we run? You have already agreed that these situations will arise and the question is not about what should be done to stop the situation arising in the first place, which is what your answer concerns itself with. Rather, it is what to actually do in the situation that if it does nothing the car is going to hit a pedestrian at speed and all avoidance strategies it has calculated seem to massively increase the danger to the occupants. Saying that the vehicle should not be in this situation does not answer the question of what to do in this situation, unless you can provide a strategy that makes this actually impossible, which you admitted at the start is not achievable.
- dm2 12y ago
  "Ok, so in the situation that this code is not perfect, which we know it will not be, what code do we run?" You're going to have to ask someone who works at Google that kind of question. Not all of the rules are hard-coded. Most of what makes Google software smart is their advanced machine learning, prediction, and AI algorithms. "Rather, it is what to actually do in the situation that if it does nothing the car is going to hit a pedestrian at speed and all avoidance strategies it has calculated seem to massively increase the danger to the occupants." Apply brakes, activate horn, swerve, deploy airbags, call 911. If the pedestrian gets hit, then it was obvious that the pedestrian did something very wrong. If it is determined that the vehicle was traveling too fast for that particular stretch of road (because of blindspots or because it's beside of a playground or busy sidewalk) then adjust the algorithm to look for clues that will make it operate at a lower speed in this type of area.
  - lotsofmangos 12y ago
    You're going to have to ask someone who works at Google that kind of question. Apply breaks, activate horn, swerve, deploy airbags, call 911. If the pedestrian gets hit, then it was obvious that the pedestrian did something very wrong. If it is determined that the vehicle was traveling too fast for that particular stretch of road You are just relentlessly contradicting yourself.
    - dm2 12y ago
      I'm not saying that my answer is the correct answer, it's just my current opinion. Do you have anything to contribute to the conversion or do you just like telling people that their opinions don't make sense to you and are therefore wrong? The point of a forum is to allow discussion. Please read over your comments and tell me if you think that they contribute meaningfully to the conversion. What do you think autonomous vehicles should do in this situation? Yes, you should ask someone at Google for a better answer, but I provided my thoughts above. Yes, a pedestrian can walk and trip into the street and the car could be going too fast for that stretch of road, both did something wrong.

by dm2 12y ago

lotsofmangos 12y ago

Ok, so in the situation that this code is not perfect, which we know it will not be, what code do we run? You have already agreed that these situations will arise and the question is not about what should be done to stop the situation arising in the first place, which is what your answer concerns itself with. Rather, it is what to actually do in the situation that if it does nothing the car is going to hit a pedestrian at speed and all avoidance strategies it has calculated seem to massively increase the danger to the occupants. Saying that the vehicle should not be in this situation does not answer the question of what to do in this situation, unless you can provide a strategy that makes this actually impossible, which you admitted at the start is not achievable.

dm2 12y ago
"Ok, so in the situation that this code is not perfect, which we know it will not be, what code do we run?" You're going to have to ask someone who works at Google that kind of question. Not all of the rules are hard-coded. Most of what makes Google software smart is their advanced machine learning, prediction, and AI algorithms. "Rather, it is what to actually do in the situation that if it does nothing the car is going to hit a pedestrian at speed and all avoidance strategies it has calculated seem to massively increase the danger to the occupants." Apply brakes, activate horn, swerve, deploy airbags, call 911. If the pedestrian gets hit, then it was obvious that the pedestrian did something very wrong. If it is determined that the vehicle was traveling too fast for that particular stretch of road (because of blindspots or because it's beside of a playground or busy sidewalk) then adjust the algorithm to look for clues that will make it operate at a lower speed in this type of area.
- lotsofmangos 12y ago
  You're going to have to ask someone who works at Google that kind of question. Apply breaks, activate horn, swerve, deploy airbags, call 911. If the pedestrian gets hit, then it was obvious that the pedestrian did something very wrong. If it is determined that the vehicle was traveling too fast for that particular stretch of road You are just relentlessly contradicting yourself.
  - dm2 12y ago
    I'm not saying that my answer is the correct answer, it's just my current opinion. Do you have anything to contribute to the conversion or do you just like telling people that their opinions don't make sense to you and are therefore wrong? The point of a forum is to allow discussion. Please read over your comments and tell me if you think that they contribute meaningfully to the conversion. What do you think autonomous vehicles should do in this situation? Yes, you should ask someone at Google for a better answer, but I provided my thoughts above. Yes, a pedestrian can walk and trip into the street and the car could be going too fast for that stretch of road, both did something wrong.