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I'm using firefox for another reason, it is the fastest, most secure, most memory efficient browser out there. Chrome doesn't even compare on benchmarks. They m

by lingben 12y ago

I'm using firefox for another reason, it is the fastest, most secure, most memory efficient browser out there. Chrome doesn't even compare on benchmarks. They may have had the crown for a tiny split second a few years ago but not anymore firefox closed the distance a while ago and now they're ahead and the gap is growing.

trhway 12y ago
second that. Visiting sites linked from even the first rated Russian sites frequently makes your IE or Chrome catch something nasty. Never with FF.
pzxc 12y ago
Everything you said is absolutely true. Firefox rocks my world for all those reasons and more. Hell, I would use it just for the Tree-Style Tabs addon, which isn't available for Chrome. But I use Chrome at least as often as Firefox for one reason alone: when everything doesn't go smoothly and a page does crash, it doesn't take the whole browser down with it. When Firefox hangs and/or crashes, it's much more annoying because everything is interrupted to a greater degree. Chrome: Oops! This tab crashed, just reload it or close it and move on. Firefox: Firefox has encountered an error and must be closed. Do you wish to debug? As someone who spends a third of the day on the web professionally, and always has 10-50 tabs open, it matters.
- findjashua 12y ago
  +1 switched to ffox primarily because of tree-style tabs.
  - MetaCosm 12y ago
    Forever on Firefox because of tree-style tabs.
  - deleted 12y ago
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- jdpage 12y ago
  Yeah, the tab thing is in progress. The problem is that Chrome was designed from the ground up to be process-per-tab, while Firefox is having to adapt extensive existing code. Thankfully, plugins made it into their own processes a while ago, which has greatly reduced the number of crashes.
- JohnTHaller 12y ago
  I don't really encounter bugs in Firefox more than maybe once a month. That said, per-tab multi-process is coming as part of Electrolysis: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Electrolysis https://wiki.mozilla.org/Electrolysis You can follow along the roadmap here: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Electrolysis/Roadmap https://wiki.mozilla.org/Electrolysis/Roadmap It's already available in Nightly builds just disabled by default. If you'd like to try out a Nightly on Windows without messing with your local copy of Firefox, grab a copy of Firefox Portable Nightly and it'll run with it's own separate profile and Firefox install without affecting your local one: http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/firefox_portable/test#nightly http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/firefox_portable/test#...
- CyberShadow 12y ago
  Fortunately, Mozilla has been working on this problem for a while now: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Electrolysis https://wiki.mozilla.org/Electrolysis I believe you can enable it right now in about:config (browser.tabs.remote), but it's not production-quality yet.
  - cpeterso 12y ago
    In Firefox Nightly, you can just use File menu > Open e10s Window menu item to open a new e10s without restarting Firefox, but setting the browser.tabs.remote.autostart pref in about:config will enable some extra compatibility code for some add-ons.
JohnTHaller 12y ago
Don't forget that Firefox is fully open source. Rendering engine, PDF engine, updater, installer, all of it. Chrome isn't. Chromium is, but it lacks quite a few features of Chrome and Firefox and isn't available in stable builds for Windows or Mac.
mafuyu 12y ago
Chrome is much better than Firefox in terms of security, as the Chrome team has put a huge amount of time into it.
- GutenYe 12y ago
  Let's just say Google have more awesome developers than Mozilla.
wmt 12y ago
I did not switch to Chrome a few years back because it was better, but for because Firefox was worse. If both would've worked fine I of course would've not changed. I don't know about today, but a few years back starting up Firefox was painfully slow, and when an update arrived it would first nag you about it and then during restart started checking for extension compatibilies. Even using felt sluggish and was temporarily fixed by running the sqlite vacuum in it db. Chrome for whatever reason had none these issues, and it felt even slightly nicer to use, with usability enhancements all around like more fluid animations in tab moving, and all settings on a nicely laid out web view instead of a tiny modeless window with 10 tabs. I really hope Firefox can not just catch up, but go past Chrome. Unfortunately the last time I tried it not too long ago, it didn't start but instead wanted to show that it is checking for extension compatibilies. Didn't exactly fill me with excitement.
- holri 12y ago
  An open and free Web is much more important than those ridiculous personal complaints about tiny issues.
  - anko 12y ago
    Just interested, aren't blink/webkit still open? As long as that is true, it seems to me that there is no worries with using chrome. If google starts doing dev behind closed doors, people will just fork blink/webkit and build new browsers. I don't understand the argument that using chrome is anti-open source.
    - dkns 12y ago
      But forking blink/webkit would be a huge undertaking for anyone interested, wouldn't it? I'm not sure if there are that many companies out there who would like to go that route (imagine web browser made by facebook, that would be interesting).
    - holri 12y ago
      It is about an open WEB not Open Source. An Open Source Browser controlled by a big corporation is still a problem if it has a giant market share.
kybernetikos 12y ago
Also, until recently Chromes font rendering on my 'high dpi' screen has been almost impossible to look at, and I really like my gesture plugin and the way firefox syncs with mobile firefox.
ksk 12y ago
Could you explain how you came to the conclusion that Firefox is the most secure browser? Firefox had the most number of reported security bugs according to Secunia. http://secunia.com/vulnerability-review/browser_security.html http://secunia.com/vulnerability-review/browser_security.htm...
ac29 12y ago
Could you name those benchmarks where Chrome "doesn't even compare" to Firefox? On my x86_64 linux system, Firefox is marginally faster at Mozilla's Kraken benchmark (a few %), and Chrome is much faster at Google's Octane benchmark (30+%).
emergentcypher 12y ago
Firefox? Faster? Tell that to my browser which gets sluggish whenever I have large or complex pages open. Tell that to my browser which slows to a crawl when flash or HTML5 video is loaded. Tell that to my browser which slows every other tab to a crawl when one is slow. Tell that to my browser which allows a single tab to crash the entire show. There's a reason why I keep going back to Chrome after trying each version of Firefox for a week or two, and it's all related to basic user experience: performance and stability.

by lingben 12y ago

trhway 12y ago

second that. Visiting sites linked from even the first rated Russian sites frequently makes your IE or Chrome catch something nasty. Never with FF.

pzxc 12y ago

Everything you said is absolutely true. Firefox rocks my world for all those reasons and more. Hell, I would use it just for the Tree-Style Tabs addon, which isn't available for Chrome. But I use Chrome at least as often as Firefox for one reason alone: when everything doesn't go smoothly and a page does crash, it doesn't take the whole browser down with it. When Firefox hangs and/or crashes, it's much more annoying because everything is interrupted to a greater degree. Chrome: Oops! This tab crashed, just reload it or close it and move on. Firefox: Firefox has encountered an error and must be closed. Do you wish to debug? As someone who spends a third of the day on the web professionally, and always has 10-50 tabs open, it matters.

findjashua 12y ago
+1 switched to ffox primarily because of tree-style tabs.
- MetaCosm 12y ago
  Forever on Firefox because of tree-style tabs.
- deleted 12y ago
  [deleted]
jdpage 12y ago
Yeah, the tab thing is in progress. The problem is that Chrome was designed from the ground up to be process-per-tab, while Firefox is having to adapt extensive existing code. Thankfully, plugins made it into their own processes a while ago, which has greatly reduced the number of crashes.
JohnTHaller 12y ago
I don't really encounter bugs in Firefox more than maybe once a month. That said, per-tab multi-process is coming as part of Electrolysis: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Electrolysis https://wiki.mozilla.org/Electrolysis You can follow along the roadmap here: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Electrolysis/Roadmap https://wiki.mozilla.org/Electrolysis/Roadmap It's already available in Nightly builds just disabled by default. If you'd like to try out a Nightly on Windows without messing with your local copy of Firefox, grab a copy of Firefox Portable Nightly and it'll run with it's own separate profile and Firefox install without affecting your local one: http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/firefox_portable/test#nightly http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/firefox_portable/test#...
CyberShadow 12y ago
Fortunately, Mozilla has been working on this problem for a while now: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Electrolysis https://wiki.mozilla.org/Electrolysis I believe you can enable it right now in about:config (browser.tabs.remote), but it's not production-quality yet.
- cpeterso 12y ago
  In Firefox Nightly, you can just use File menu > Open e10s Window menu item to open a new e10s without restarting Firefox, but setting the browser.tabs.remote.autostart pref in about:config will enable some extra compatibility code for some add-ons.

JohnTHaller 12y ago

Don't forget that Firefox is fully open source. Rendering engine, PDF engine, updater, installer, all of it. Chrome isn't. Chromium is, but it lacks quite a few features of Chrome and Firefox and isn't available in stable builds for Windows or Mac.

mafuyu 12y ago

Chrome is much better than Firefox in terms of security, as the Chrome team has put a huge amount of time into it.

GutenYe 12y ago
Let's just say Google have more awesome developers than Mozilla.

wmt 12y ago

I did not switch to Chrome a few years back because it was better, but for because Firefox was worse. If both would've worked fine I of course would've not changed. I don't know about today, but a few years back starting up Firefox was painfully slow, and when an update arrived it would first nag you about it and then during restart started checking for extension compatibilies. Even using felt sluggish and was temporarily fixed by running the sqlite vacuum in it db. Chrome for whatever reason had none these issues, and it felt even slightly nicer to use, with usability enhancements all around like more fluid animations in tab moving, and all settings on a nicely laid out web view instead of a tiny modeless window with 10 tabs. I really hope Firefox can not just catch up, but go past Chrome. Unfortunately the last time I tried it not too long ago, it didn't start but instead wanted to show that it is checking for extension compatibilies. Didn't exactly fill me with excitement.

holri 12y ago
An open and free Web is much more important than those ridiculous personal complaints about tiny issues.
- anko 12y ago
  Just interested, aren't blink/webkit still open? As long as that is true, it seems to me that there is no worries with using chrome. If google starts doing dev behind closed doors, people will just fork blink/webkit and build new browsers. I don't understand the argument that using chrome is anti-open source.
  - dkns 12y ago
    But forking blink/webkit would be a huge undertaking for anyone interested, wouldn't it? I'm not sure if there are that many companies out there who would like to go that route (imagine web browser made by facebook, that would be interesting).
  - holri 12y ago
    It is about an open WEB not Open Source. An Open Source Browser controlled by a big corporation is still a problem if it has a giant market share.

kybernetikos 12y ago

Also, until recently Chromes font rendering on my 'high dpi' screen has been almost impossible to look at, and I really like my gesture plugin and the way firefox syncs with mobile firefox.

ksk 12y ago

Could you explain how you came to the conclusion that Firefox is the most secure browser? Firefox had the most number of reported security bugs according to Secunia. http://secunia.com/vulnerability-review/browser_security.html http://secunia.com/vulnerability-review/browser_security.htm...

ac29 12y ago

Could you name those benchmarks where Chrome "doesn't even compare" to Firefox? On my x86_64 linux system, Firefox is marginally faster at Mozilla's Kraken benchmark (a few %), and Chrome is much faster at Google's Octane benchmark (30+%).

emergentcypher 12y ago

Firefox? Faster? Tell that to my browser which gets sluggish whenever I have large or complex pages open. Tell that to my browser which slows to a crawl when flash or HTML5 video is loaded. Tell that to my browser which slows every other tab to a crawl when one is slow. Tell that to my browser which allows a single tab to crash the entire show. There's a reason why I keep going back to Chrome after trying each version of Firefox for a week or two, and it's all related to basic user experience: performance and stability.