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I've been building my ZTE Open since pretty close to its initially release. I also use it as my daily device. Also, I think this is your 3rd time(in my recent

I've been building my ZTE Open since pretty close to its initially release. I also use it as my daily device. Also, I think this is your 3rd time(in my recent memory) derailing a Firefox OS thread to talk about how there are no phones in stores etc. Are you an astro turfer or are you just really angry at Mozilla for some reason?

the_mitsuhiko 12y ago
> Also, I think this is your 3rd time(in my recent memory) derailing a Firefox OS thread to talk about how there are no phones in stores etc. Are you an astro turfer or are you just really angry at Mozilla for some reason? I'm sorry but he's right. The OS is not good, the phones are not powerful, they are barely available and because they are web based they have no unique selling point over any other platform. You can get more powerful Android phones for cheaper and they run more stuff.
- fred_durst 12y ago
  But what does any of that have to do with the process of designing and developing Firefox OS? You also just kind of seem like an astroturfer. Android was not mentioned anywhere in that article as far as I could tell. Why are you posting that here?
  - the_mitsuhiko 12y ago
    > But what does any of that have to do with the process of designing and developing Firefox OS? [...] Android was not mentioned anywhere in that article The thread (if you have missed it) was about Firefox OS devices and how a person was recommending against buying a device. I agree with this sentiment and was mentioning that there are cheaper Android devices which are a better purchase. > You also just kind of seem like an astroturfer. Take off your tinfoil hat. Just accept that some people do not like Firefox OS or the devices.
    - fred_durst 12y ago
      This thread was originally about someone telling their experience with the phone that Firefox OS is developed and tested against. This was an article about developing Firefox OS which is done on the device discussed in the start of the thread. That is relevant information to someone who might be interested in getting involved in designing and developing Firefox OS which was what the article was about. No where in the start of this thread or in the article did it involve which system is the best, nor did it ever even mention Android, iOS etc etc.
  - Pacabel 12y ago
    Firefox OS doesn't exist in a vacuum. It's facing some very strong competition from Android, iOS, BlackBerry OS, and numerous other mobile operating systems and platforms. It makes absolutely no sense to consider Firefox OS by itself. It needs to be considered within the larger context. Unfortunately, like others have pointed out, Firefox OS is not competing very well against the alternatives at this point. It currently provides a worse experience than its competitors in pretty much every way. I don't think this is something that can be denied. Mozilla and the Firefox OS community will need to face these problems. And these "astroturfer" accusations from you are kind of weird. Pointing out obvious flaws with software and hardware does not mean that the people pointing them out are being paid by Apple, or Google, or any other company or organization. It probably just means that they'd like to see these problems resolved, for the sake of Firefox OS and its potential success.
    - fred_durst 12y ago
      This is an article about designing and developing for Firefox OS. This is not an article about competing with Android and others. Discussion about which is a better option for the consumer is a very valid discussion and is important to the long term survival of the platform. But, in my opinion, it just doesn't have anything to do with the topic at hand. It's like if there was an article about a release of the next version of Android and someone came in taking about how the smaller subset of target screen sizes in iOS make it a better platform to design for. Its a valid discussion, but just doesn't have anything to do with the topic at hand. The "astroturfer" comment is because I can't see any sane reason, beyond self interest or possibly just to troll, why anyone would bother to hop into a thread and just say Android is better when there was no mention about Android in the article at hand.
seagrass 12y ago
>I've been building my ZTE Open since pretty close to its initially release. I also use it as my daily device. I bought a ZTE Open off of ebay back in April. My Nexus 4 broke in July. I have been using the ZTE Open as my daily device since. I built from source (Boot2Gecko 1.4.0.0-prerelease) and, from my experience: - Sometimes when I open an MMS message and click the back button, my phone reboots - If I open a content-heavy webpage or app the app will force close - Sometimes when I'm scrolling through the gallery app my phone freezes - Sometimes my handset earpiece doesn't work and I have to make calls on speakerphone - Sometimes the camera app freezes after taking a picture Now, I'm not sure if these are issues with the ZTE Open's specs, the state of the build I flashed, or the method in which I flashed it, but those are my daily struggles using the phone. That being said, as a phone (phone calls + sms + mms) it works, mostly. I haven't been keeping it updated though. I should build the most recent and flash it soon.
- darklajid 12y ago
  As stated elsewhere, please do try a recent vsrsion. 2.x changed a lot for me.
Pacabel 12y ago
I've been seeing these ultra-defensive "Are you an astro turfer or are you just really angry at Mozilla for some reason?"-style responses more and more from the Mozilla community lately, especially when somebody has raised some perfectly good and legitimate points about deficiencies with one of their products. When discussing Firefox OS, it's perfectly reasonable and relevant to bring up issues surrounding the quality and the ease of acquiring devices that run Firefox OS. These factors have an absolutely massive impact on the experience of everyone involved, from developers to end users, and will directly influence the ability of Firefox OS to capture any substantial share of the market. Attacking the people who raise awareness of these very real problems with these unsubstantiated conspiracy theories about "astroturfing" or weird accusations of "anger at Mozilla" won't do Mozilla or anyone else any good. Instead, maybe listen to what people are saying! The limited availability of phones running Firefox OS is causing people problems, and affecting its adoption and usefulness. The devices it has been available on so far have not been very good, even compared to where Android and iOS were years ago. People aren't just making these problems up; they're very real problems! The same goes for problems that people bring up about Firefox, or Rust, or any of Mozilla's other offerings. Admitting to the existence of these problems, and then resolving them, will have a much more positive impact than attacking anyone who happens to bring them up. The fact that people have to bring them up again and again indicates that they aren't being resolved properly, and that more work is needed.
- fred_durst 12y ago
  As I said above, what does any of this have to do with the article at hand? This article was not about adoption or competition. If I were being defensive I would have tried to explain all the things I like about Firefox OS, or talked about things wrong with Android. My issue was that it didn't have anything to do with the article and I have a hard time understanding why anyone would bother.
  - Pacabel 12y ago
    You do realize that the submission discussion doesn't have to pertain solely to what was in the linked to article, right? The topic is Firefox OS. Anything having to do with Firefox OS is worth discussing, and is perfectly valid discussion. That includes its problems. That includes how it is (or is failing to) compete with established players like iOS and Android. That includes the sorry state of the devices it comes with. Deviation is perfectly fine. The point of the discussion is to share ideas. It's not to engage in mindless affirmation of whatever the linked-to article may say.

the_mitsuhiko 12y ago

> Also, I think this is your 3rd time(in my recent memory) derailing a Firefox OS thread to talk about how there are no phones in stores etc. Are you an astro turfer or are you just really angry at Mozilla for some reason? I'm sorry but he's right. The OS is not good, the phones are not powerful, they are barely available and because they are web based they have no unique selling point over any other platform. You can get more powerful Android phones for cheaper and they run more stuff.

fred_durst 12y ago
But what does any of that have to do with the process of designing and developing Firefox OS? You also just kind of seem like an astroturfer. Android was not mentioned anywhere in that article as far as I could tell. Why are you posting that here?
- the_mitsuhiko 12y ago
  > But what does any of that have to do with the process of designing and developing Firefox OS? [...] Android was not mentioned anywhere in that article The thread (if you have missed it) was about Firefox OS devices and how a person was recommending against buying a device. I agree with this sentiment and was mentioning that there are cheaper Android devices which are a better purchase. > You also just kind of seem like an astroturfer. Take off your tinfoil hat. Just accept that some people do not like Firefox OS or the devices.
  - fred_durst 12y ago
    This thread was originally about someone telling their experience with the phone that Firefox OS is developed and tested against. This was an article about developing Firefox OS which is done on the device discussed in the start of the thread. That is relevant information to someone who might be interested in getting involved in designing and developing Firefox OS which was what the article was about. No where in the start of this thread or in the article did it involve which system is the best, nor did it ever even mention Android, iOS etc etc.
- Pacabel 12y ago
  Firefox OS doesn't exist in a vacuum. It's facing some very strong competition from Android, iOS, BlackBerry OS, and numerous other mobile operating systems and platforms. It makes absolutely no sense to consider Firefox OS by itself. It needs to be considered within the larger context. Unfortunately, like others have pointed out, Firefox OS is not competing very well against the alternatives at this point. It currently provides a worse experience than its competitors in pretty much every way. I don't think this is something that can be denied. Mozilla and the Firefox OS community will need to face these problems. And these "astroturfer" accusations from you are kind of weird. Pointing out obvious flaws with software and hardware does not mean that the people pointing them out are being paid by Apple, or Google, or any other company or organization. It probably just means that they'd like to see these problems resolved, for the sake of Firefox OS and its potential success.
  - fred_durst 12y ago
    This is an article about designing and developing for Firefox OS. This is not an article about competing with Android and others. Discussion about which is a better option for the consumer is a very valid discussion and is important to the long term survival of the platform. But, in my opinion, it just doesn't have anything to do with the topic at hand. It's like if there was an article about a release of the next version of Android and someone came in taking about how the smaller subset of target screen sizes in iOS make it a better platform to design for. Its a valid discussion, but just doesn't have anything to do with the topic at hand. The "astroturfer" comment is because I can't see any sane reason, beyond self interest or possibly just to troll, why anyone would bother to hop into a thread and just say Android is better when there was no mention about Android in the article at hand.

seagrass 12y ago

>I've been building my ZTE Open since pretty close to its initially release. I also use it as my daily device. I bought a ZTE Open off of ebay back in April. My Nexus 4 broke in July. I have been using the ZTE Open as my daily device since. I built from source (Boot2Gecko 1.4.0.0-prerelease) and, from my experience: - Sometimes when I open an MMS message and click the back button, my phone reboots - If I open a content-heavy webpage or app the app will force close - Sometimes when I'm scrolling through the gallery app my phone freezes - Sometimes my handset earpiece doesn't work and I have to make calls on speakerphone - Sometimes the camera app freezes after taking a picture Now, I'm not sure if these are issues with the ZTE Open's specs, the state of the build I flashed, or the method in which I flashed it, but those are my daily struggles using the phone. That being said, as a phone (phone calls + sms + mms) it works, mostly. I haven't been keeping it updated though. I should build the most recent and flash it soon.

darklajid 12y ago
As stated elsewhere, please do try a recent vsrsion. 2.x changed a lot for me.

Pacabel 12y ago

I've been seeing these ultra-defensive "Are you an astro turfer or are you just really angry at Mozilla for some reason?"-style responses more and more from the Mozilla community lately, especially when somebody has raised some perfectly good and legitimate points about deficiencies with one of their products. When discussing Firefox OS, it's perfectly reasonable and relevant to bring up issues surrounding the quality and the ease of acquiring devices that run Firefox OS. These factors have an absolutely massive impact on the experience of everyone involved, from developers to end users, and will directly influence the ability of Firefox OS to capture any substantial share of the market. Attacking the people who raise awareness of these very real problems with these unsubstantiated conspiracy theories about "astroturfing" or weird accusations of "anger at Mozilla" won't do Mozilla or anyone else any good. Instead, maybe listen to what people are saying! The limited availability of phones running Firefox OS is causing people problems, and affecting its adoption and usefulness. The devices it has been available on so far have not been very good, even compared to where Android and iOS were years ago. People aren't just making these problems up; they're very real problems! The same goes for problems that people bring up about Firefox, or Rust, or any of Mozilla's other offerings. Admitting to the existence of these problems, and then resolving them, will have a much more positive impact than attacking anyone who happens to bring them up. The fact that people have to bring them up again and again indicates that they aren't being resolved properly, and that more work is needed.

fred_durst 12y ago
As I said above, what does any of this have to do with the article at hand? This article was not about adoption or competition. If I were being defensive I would have tried to explain all the things I like about Firefox OS, or talked about things wrong with Android. My issue was that it didn't have anything to do with the article and I have a hard time understanding why anyone would bother.
- Pacabel 12y ago
  You do realize that the submission discussion doesn't have to pertain solely to what was in the linked to article, right? The topic is Firefox OS. Anything having to do with Firefox OS is worth discussing, and is perfectly valid discussion. That includes its problems. That includes how it is (or is failing to) compete with established players like iOS and Android. That includes the sorry state of the devices it comes with. Deviation is perfectly fine. The point of the discussion is to share ideas. It's not to engage in mindless affirmation of whatever the linked-to article may say.