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What should we expect when our own President is trash talking Russia? http://news.yahoo.com/obama-russia-doesnt-anything-west-must-firm-china-201843411.html htt

What should we expect when our own President is trash talking Russia? http://news.yahoo.com/obama-russia-doesnt-anything-west-must-firm-china-201843411.html http://news.yahoo.com/obama-russia-doesnt-anything-west-must... Really, this guy is not doing well on the world stage, he almost seems to act like a petulant child at times with his comments. Why shouldn't Russia do this, it causes embarrassment to a country who for the last few years has show contempt for anything Russia does. Its like the pot calling the kettle black. The world is a flipping mess and two countries who could work together to fix it are having the equivalent of a playground spat.

Ilverin 12y ago
If there are Russian soldiers in Ukraine supporting rebels, the actions of Russia are without question much worse than any of the actions taken by the US.
- 67726e 12y ago
  Exactly. Bending the rules of our own Constitution and detaining and torturing folks is no where near as bad as stationing some troops in a disputed zone.
- gdy 12y ago
  You seem to have forgotten about American soldiers supporting rebels in Libya.
- trhway 12y ago
  >If there are Russian soldiers in Ukraine there aren't soldiers yet. Special agents, mercenaries and volunteers - yes. Including 200+ Serbs volunteers/mercenaries (Russians helped Serbs back in similar way in similar war in 199x) >the actions of Russia are without question much worse than any of the actions taken by the US. not really. Both countries regularly engage in proxy wars. US used real soldiers btw in Afganistan and Iraq.
- TeMPOraL 12y ago
  Sure, because Russia also has the habit of continued, systematic, shameless terrorizing and murdering innocent citizens of nuclear powers. I wonder why people are so outraged about Ukraine and yet fail to be about drones in Pakistan.
- ibisum 12y ago
  America has surely done the very same thing as Russia is being accused of, countless times over the last 50 years. Why the double standard? Are American soldiers somehow 'better' than the Russian kind?
stef25 12y ago
You don't think anything of those 300 innocents getting shot out of the sky?
- gabzuka 12y ago
  Is there any objective investigation into who actually shot them down? (I'm asking honestly)
  - trhway 12y ago
    not really - because no party (nor US/Ukraine nor Russia/rebels) is interested in the official confirmation of what everybody knows really happened. 3 weeks before MH-17, rebels captured a full Ukrainian military installation containing a number of BUK missile systems and parts storage for them. They were able to repair one BUK launcher. There is no need for an electronics professional like Kerry suggested because Russian military system like BUK is repaired by swapping whole blocks (sourced from other launchers or from parts storage). A BUK launcher is only part of the system. It has smaller, less capable fire control radar (lesser range, only 120 degree instead of 360, lesser resolution) than the main BUK radar (which is a large radar on a separate vehicle, has full acquiring/identifying/tracking/targeting capabilities, and rebels didn't have a working one). Basically BUK launcher alone is a super-large glorified "Stinger". Using the repaired launcher, 2 weeks after capture, the rebels downed 2 Ukrainian transport planes and week later they celebrated, for half-an-hour, until the first people reached the crash site, the supposed downing of the 3rd transport plane. Russia obviously doesn't want the public confirmation because it was Russia supported rebels who downed the plane. US/Ukraine don't want it because it was a BUK captured from Ukrainians, and Ukraine hadn't close the airspace and was accepting the civilian airliners' flight plans through the war zone (basically each time declare it safe to fly) even though the Ukrainian military were regularly flying the combat missions in the airspace, receiving anti-aircraft fire and losing planes to it, lost a number of BUK systems to rebels, after that lost 2 cargo planes to surface-to-air missiles at the heights not reachable by MANPAD missiles - and still didn't close the airspace and were still explicitly accepting civilian flight plans... This is why all this propaganda theories about a ghost lone Russian BUK launcher almost every night crossing into Ukraine territory and crossing back again.

Ilverin 12y ago

If there are Russian soldiers in Ukraine supporting rebels, the actions of Russia are without question much worse than any of the actions taken by the US.

67726e 12y ago
Exactly. Bending the rules of our own Constitution and detaining and torturing folks is no where near as bad as stationing some troops in a disputed zone.
gdy 12y ago
You seem to have forgotten about American soldiers supporting rebels in Libya.
trhway 12y ago
>If there are Russian soldiers in Ukraine there aren't soldiers yet. Special agents, mercenaries and volunteers - yes. Including 200+ Serbs volunteers/mercenaries (Russians helped Serbs back in similar way in similar war in 199x) >the actions of Russia are without question much worse than any of the actions taken by the US. not really. Both countries regularly engage in proxy wars. US used real soldiers btw in Afganistan and Iraq.
TeMPOraL 12y ago
Sure, because Russia also has the habit of continued, systematic, shameless terrorizing and murdering innocent citizens of nuclear powers. I wonder why people are so outraged about Ukraine and yet fail to be about drones in Pakistan.
ibisum 12y ago
America has surely done the very same thing as Russia is being accused of, countless times over the last 50 years. Why the double standard? Are American soldiers somehow 'better' than the Russian kind?

stef25 12y ago

You don't think anything of those 300 innocents getting shot out of the sky?

gabzuka 12y ago
Is there any objective investigation into who actually shot them down? (I'm asking honestly)
- trhway 12y ago
  not really - because no party (nor US/Ukraine nor Russia/rebels) is interested in the official confirmation of what everybody knows really happened. 3 weeks before MH-17, rebels captured a full Ukrainian military installation containing a number of BUK missile systems and parts storage for them. They were able to repair one BUK launcher. There is no need for an electronics professional like Kerry suggested because Russian military system like BUK is repaired by swapping whole blocks (sourced from other launchers or from parts storage). A BUK launcher is only part of the system. It has smaller, less capable fire control radar (lesser range, only 120 degree instead of 360, lesser resolution) than the main BUK radar (which is a large radar on a separate vehicle, has full acquiring/identifying/tracking/targeting capabilities, and rebels didn't have a working one). Basically BUK launcher alone is a super-large glorified "Stinger". Using the repaired launcher, 2 weeks after capture, the rebels downed 2 Ukrainian transport planes and week later they celebrated, for half-an-hour, until the first people reached the crash site, the supposed downing of the 3rd transport plane. Russia obviously doesn't want the public confirmation because it was Russia supported rebels who downed the plane. US/Ukraine don't want it because it was a BUK captured from Ukrainians, and Ukraine hadn't close the airspace and was accepting the civilian airliners' flight plans through the war zone (basically each time declare it safe to fly) even though the Ukrainian military were regularly flying the combat missions in the airspace, receiving anti-aircraft fire and losing planes to it, lost a number of BUK systems to rebels, after that lost 2 cargo planes to surface-to-air missiles at the heights not reachable by MANPAD missiles - and still didn't close the airspace and were still explicitly accepting civilian flight plans... This is why all this propaganda theories about a ghost lone Russian BUK launcher almost every night crossing into Ukraine territory and crossing back again.