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I suppose it's not unrelated to the russian embargo on European, Canadian, Australian, Norwegian and American food that was announced this morning and has yet t

I suppose it's not unrelated to the russian embargo on European, Canadian, Australian, Norwegian and American food that was announced this morning and has yet to reach the US online news [0]. English translation [1]. [0] haven't seen anything yet on nytimes or wp. [1] http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=&sl=fr&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lemonde.fr%2Feurope%2Farticle%2F2014%2F08%2F07%2Fla-russie-decrete-un-embargo-total-sur-les-produits-alimentaires-europeens-et-americains_4468074_3214.html&sandbox=1 http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=&sl=fr&tl=en&u=http...

TazeTSchnitzel 12y ago
The embargo's probably just reacting to the various sanctions put on Russia by Ukrainian allies.
dchamberlin 12y ago
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/russia-bans-food-imports-from-canada-other-countries-for-1-year-1.2729821 http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/russia-bans-food-imports-from-c...
tomjen3 12y ago
Unlikely to be related. Europe just embargoed Russia hard, those counter embargoes are their answer (it will hit them harder than us, but it still sucks).
- kovrik 12y ago
  Russian here. The bad thing is that embargoes (and counter embargoes) hit ordinary people hard, not politicians. Prices have increased by ~15% since January (and will increase more because of new embargoes). Many idiotic laws has been adopted. Other countries hate us. And so on. Russia is now isolated from civilized world. And our government escalates this isolation. I'm going to migrate to Australia/New Zealand/USA etc. But now it feels much more difficult to move to another country.
  - kackontent 12y ago
    On the other hand, ordinary people in Russia seems to stand firmly behind their government and its' actions. Putin's popularity hits record hights (ridiculous 87% in latests polls - http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/putin-s-approval-rating-soars-to-87-poll-says/504691.html http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/putin-s-approval-...), overwhelming majority of people believes MH17 was downed by Ukrainians (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/30/mh17-vast-majority-russians-believe-ukraine-downed-plane-poll http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/30/mh17-vast-major...), etc.
    - kovrik 12y ago
      Patriotism, propaganda, religion...all these things are to control people. People live in provetry, have nothing to eat, have no rights etc. And, sadly, still think Putin is a great leader. Majority of population do not like to think. It is better to turn on TV - and here are all answers!
      - huhtenberg 12y ago
        > Have nothing to eat Do elaborate. Which people in Russia have nothing to eat?
        kovrik 12y ago
        Elderly people, for example. Average pension in Russia is about 7000 - 11 000 RUR (~$220 - $300).
        gdy 12y ago
        It's 11600 rubles ($320 without adjustment for purchase parity) now.
      - chris_mahan 12y ago
        Don't come to america. It's the same crap. (bigger TVs, though, probably)
- seren 12y ago
  Until they suspend natural gas export ? Putin is probably waiting for winter to play this card.
  - tomjen3 12y ago
    As a European I wonder how hard this will really hit us? I have been hoping for a complete embargo against Russia and russian made goods for a while now, but I know come winter some of Europe will freeze.
  - ceejayoz 12y ago
    In the long run, that'll hurt Russia a lot more than Europe.
    - seren 12y ago
      I agree but in the short term some people are going to be freezing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_in_the_European_energy_sector http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_in_the_European_energy_s... You don't want to be living in Finland and rely on natural gas for example. (To be honest I don't know how much and how Finland is using its natural gas)
Shivetya 12y ago
What should we expect when our own President is trash talking Russia? http://news.yahoo.com/obama-russia-doesnt-anything-west-must-firm-china-201843411.html http://news.yahoo.com/obama-russia-doesnt-anything-west-must... Really, this guy is not doing well on the world stage, he almost seems to act like a petulant child at times with his comments. Why shouldn't Russia do this, it causes embarrassment to a country who for the last few years has show contempt for anything Russia does. Its like the pot calling the kettle black. The world is a flipping mess and two countries who could work together to fix it are having the equivalent of a playground spat.
- Ilverin 12y ago
  If there are Russian soldiers in Ukraine supporting rebels, the actions of Russia are without question much worse than any of the actions taken by the US.
  - 67726e 12y ago
    Exactly. Bending the rules of our own Constitution and detaining and torturing folks is no where near as bad as stationing some troops in a disputed zone.
  - gdy 12y ago
    You seem to have forgotten about American soldiers supporting rebels in Libya.
  - trhway 12y ago
    >If there are Russian soldiers in Ukraine there aren't soldiers yet. Special agents, mercenaries and volunteers - yes. Including 200+ Serbs volunteers/mercenaries (Russians helped Serbs back in similar way in similar war in 199x) >the actions of Russia are without question much worse than any of the actions taken by the US. not really. Both countries regularly engage in proxy wars. US used real soldiers btw in Afganistan and Iraq.
  - TeMPOraL 12y ago
    Sure, because Russia also has the habit of continued, systematic, shameless terrorizing and murdering innocent citizens of nuclear powers. I wonder why people are so outraged about Ukraine and yet fail to be about drones in Pakistan.
timdiggerm 12y ago
PBS NewsHour covered it https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UU6ZFN9Tx6xh-skXCuRHCDpQ&feature=player_detailpage&v=G1eJ-4MZMvs#t=178 https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UU6ZFN9Tx6xh-skXCuRHCDpQ&...
gdy 12y ago
Why wouldn't it be? The article begins with "his year-long leave to stay in Russia had expired on 31 July" and it's hard to imagine Putin not prolonging Showden's permission to stay cause it would be somewhat costly politically for him even if the relationship with the US hadn't deteriorated during this year.
rtpg 12y ago
NYTimes has an article on front page http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/08/world/europe/russia-sanctions.html http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/08/world/europe/russia-sancti... it takes a while to write a couple hundred words sometimes.
- Chronic29 12y ago
  Well this is the media. It shouldn't take long to write a couple hundred words of low quality.
AJ007 12y ago
I suspect that the initial sanctions had more to do with Snowden than with Ukraine. FYI -- the women behind these sanctions, Victoria Nuland, used to be a senior aid of Dick Cheney. Prepare for shit to get a lot worse and last a lot longer than anyone expects.

TazeTSchnitzel 12y ago

The embargo's probably just reacting to the various sanctions put on Russia by Ukrainian allies.

dchamberlin 12y ago

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/russia-bans-food-imports-from-canada-other-countries-for-1-year-1.2729821 http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/russia-bans-food-imports-from-c...

tomjen3 12y ago

Unlikely to be related. Europe just embargoed Russia hard, those counter embargoes are their answer (it will hit them harder than us, but it still sucks).

kovrik 12y ago
Russian here. The bad thing is that embargoes (and counter embargoes) hit ordinary people hard, not politicians. Prices have increased by ~15% since January (and will increase more because of new embargoes). Many idiotic laws has been adopted. Other countries hate us. And so on. Russia is now isolated from civilized world. And our government escalates this isolation. I'm going to migrate to Australia/New Zealand/USA etc. But now it feels much more difficult to move to another country.
- kackontent 12y ago
  On the other hand, ordinary people in Russia seems to stand firmly behind their government and its' actions. Putin's popularity hits record hights (ridiculous 87% in latests polls - http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/putin-s-approval-rating-soars-to-87-poll-says/504691.html http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/putin-s-approval-...), overwhelming majority of people believes MH17 was downed by Ukrainians (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/30/mh17-vast-majority-russians-believe-ukraine-downed-plane-poll http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/30/mh17-vast-major...), etc.
  - kovrik 12y ago
    Patriotism, propaganda, religion...all these things are to control people. People live in provetry, have nothing to eat, have no rights etc. And, sadly, still think Putin is a great leader. Majority of population do not like to think. It is better to turn on TV - and here are all answers!
    - huhtenberg 12y ago
      > Have nothing to eat Do elaborate. Which people in Russia have nothing to eat?
      - kovrik 12y ago
        Elderly people, for example. Average pension in Russia is about 7000 - 11 000 RUR (~$220 - $300).
        gdy 12y ago
        It's 11600 rubles ($320 without adjustment for purchase parity) now.
    - chris_mahan 12y ago
      Don't come to america. It's the same crap. (bigger TVs, though, probably)
seren 12y ago
Until they suspend natural gas export ? Putin is probably waiting for winter to play this card.
- tomjen3 12y ago
  As a European I wonder how hard this will really hit us? I have been hoping for a complete embargo against Russia and russian made goods for a while now, but I know come winter some of Europe will freeze.
- ceejayoz 12y ago
  In the long run, that'll hurt Russia a lot more than Europe.
  - seren 12y ago
    I agree but in the short term some people are going to be freezing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_in_the_European_energy_sector http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_in_the_European_energy_s... You don't want to be living in Finland and rely on natural gas for example. (To be honest I don't know how much and how Finland is using its natural gas)

Shivetya 12y ago

What should we expect when our own President is trash talking Russia? http://news.yahoo.com/obama-russia-doesnt-anything-west-must-firm-china-201843411.html http://news.yahoo.com/obama-russia-doesnt-anything-west-must... Really, this guy is not doing well on the world stage, he almost seems to act like a petulant child at times with his comments. Why shouldn't Russia do this, it causes embarrassment to a country who for the last few years has show contempt for anything Russia does. Its like the pot calling the kettle black. The world is a flipping mess and two countries who could work together to fix it are having the equivalent of a playground spat.

Ilverin 12y ago
If there are Russian soldiers in Ukraine supporting rebels, the actions of Russia are without question much worse than any of the actions taken by the US.
- 67726e 12y ago
  Exactly. Bending the rules of our own Constitution and detaining and torturing folks is no where near as bad as stationing some troops in a disputed zone.
- gdy 12y ago
  You seem to have forgotten about American soldiers supporting rebels in Libya.
- trhway 12y ago
  >If there are Russian soldiers in Ukraine there aren't soldiers yet. Special agents, mercenaries and volunteers - yes. Including 200+ Serbs volunteers/mercenaries (Russians helped Serbs back in similar way in similar war in 199x) >the actions of Russia are without question much worse than any of the actions taken by the US. not really. Both countries regularly engage in proxy wars. US used real soldiers btw in Afganistan and Iraq.
- TeMPOraL 12y ago
  Sure, because Russia also has the habit of continued, systematic, shameless terrorizing and murdering innocent citizens of nuclear powers. I wonder why people are so outraged about Ukraine and yet fail to be about drones in Pakistan.

timdiggerm 12y ago

PBS NewsHour covered it https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UU6ZFN9Tx6xh-skXCuRHCDpQ&feature=player_detailpage&v=G1eJ-4MZMvs#t=178 https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UU6ZFN9Tx6xh-skXCuRHCDpQ&...

gdy 12y ago

Why wouldn't it be? The article begins with "his year-long leave to stay in Russia had expired on 31 July" and it's hard to imagine Putin not prolonging Showden's permission to stay cause it would be somewhat costly politically for him even if the relationship with the US hadn't deteriorated during this year.

rtpg 12y ago

NYTimes has an article on front page http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/08/world/europe/russia-sanctions.html http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/08/world/europe/russia-sancti... it takes a while to write a couple hundred words sometimes.

Chronic29 12y ago
Well this is the media. It shouldn't take long to write a couple hundred words of low quality.

AJ007 12y ago

I suspect that the initial sanctions had more to do with Snowden than with Ukraine. FYI -- the women behind these sanctions, Victoria Nuland, used to be a senior aid of Dick Cheney. Prepare for shit to get a lot worse and last a lot longer than anyone expects.