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The problem is the US could try and stop his plane again when it passes above some US vassal country like UK, France, Spain, and so on. On the other hand, those

The problem is the US could try and stop his plane again when it passes above some US vassal country like UK, France, Spain, and so on. On the other hand, those countries would have to be pretty stupid to do that right now to Russia and force Putin's hand into a war (regardless of their chances of winning I think we can agree a war in Europe would be bad for all parties).

skrause 12y ago
Would he have to fly through Europe? Isn't a direct flight from the eastern end of Russia over the Pacific possible as well?
- phantom784 12y ago
  A great circle rotue from eastern Russia to South America would fly over the US - probably the last thing Snowden wants to do. http://i.imgur.com/ScOhPcc.gif http://i.imgur.com/ScOhPcc.gif
saalweachter 12y ago
Is there this problem for a boat? Granted, a boat trip is longer, which is more time for things to (be made to) go wrong, but if a ship is traveling through international waters, are there any grounds for another country to board it and seize its passengers? (With a follow up: is there a sea route between Russia and Friendly Country X which doesn't pass through waters claimed by another country?)
- icebraining 12y ago
  if a ship is traveling through international waters, are there any grounds for another country to board it and seize its passengers? Legal grounds? Does it matter? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_flotilla_raid http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_flotilla_raid
  - srean 12y ago
    Too bad that I can upvote this only once.
- TeMPOraL 12y ago
  > if a ship is traveling through international waters, are there any grounds for another country to board it and seize its passengers? Suddenly, pirates, out of fucking nowhere. EDIT: Seriously, I wouldn't be surprised if some "random" thing happened to Snowden if he tried to go by a boat. Just like Assange became an sex offender out of the blue the moment he seriously pissed off the US government.
  - victorhooi 12y ago
    Well, not to put a fine point on it, but Assange was already known as a bit of a dick. I think the issue was, what was considered rape in Sweden was basically just being a misogynistic douche in other countries. However, he would have known this well before going into the country, it's not like they created a new law just for him. I doubt the US is so subtle as to use pirates. People seem to have these grand conspiracies about how the government is like a ninja...it's not. They will simply send the police around and arrest him. Seriously, why are they going to bother with cloak and daggers for? This isn't a Bond movie. They will simply arrest him, and charge him with espionage charges since...err..that's sort of what he did?
- 67726e 12y ago
  The US Navy is probably the biggest problem. That and the navies of all of its allies.
  - hadoukenio 12y ago
    The boldest move would be for Putin to let Snowden board a nuclear sub and let him go freely to his chosen destination, under the protection of the Russian navy.
    - ArtDev 12y ago
      Now that, is a super good idea. Pretty much the best way to travel under the radar.
    - meepmorp 12y ago
      If Putin's willing to go to that level of provocation, why bother with a sub? Sending him on a surface ship is easier, cheaper, and less of a security risk. It's not like the US is going to try to board a Russian military vessel.
      - hadoukenio 12y ago
        Planes are easier to ground (see what happened with Morales). The US wouldn't even be close to knowing where Russia's subs would be: http://thediplomat.com/2011/10/chinas-overhyped-submarine-threat/ > It was the US Navy’s biggest jolt in years. On October 26, 2006, a Chinese Song-class attack submarine quietly surfaced within nine miles of the aircraft carrier USS Kitty Hawk as the 80,000-ton-diplacement vessel sailed on a training exercise in the East China Sea between Japan and Taiwan. >The Song-class vessel, displacing 2,200 tons, was close enough to hit the Kitty Hawk with one of its 18 homing torpedoes. None of the carrier’s roughly dozen escorting warships detected the Song until it breached the surface. And: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqFVOL7mLd4#t=9m58s
        meepmorp 12y ago
        I don't know what your point is.
- jeffasinger 12y ago
  As far as routes, Russia doesn't have the best access to the ocean. He'd definitely have to pass through waters claimed by nations not friendly towards him. The 3 best options are: Vladivostok, which is very close to Japan, and would be nearly impossible to not go through either South Korean or Japanese waters. Neither of which are friendly to him. Sevastopol, Which requires going through the Turkey, and then either through the straights of Gibraltar or Egypt. St Petersburg, Which requires passing through Denmark. If I were in his shoes, I'd probably try to charter a Jet coming out of Vladivostok. If that wasn't possible, I think I'd choose the Sevastopol/Gibraltar route by sea.

skrause 12y ago

Would he have to fly through Europe? Isn't a direct flight from the eastern end of Russia over the Pacific possible as well?

phantom784 12y ago
A great circle rotue from eastern Russia to South America would fly over the US - probably the last thing Snowden wants to do. http://i.imgur.com/ScOhPcc.gif http://i.imgur.com/ScOhPcc.gif

saalweachter 12y ago

Is there this problem for a boat? Granted, a boat trip is longer, which is more time for things to (be made to) go wrong, but if a ship is traveling through international waters, are there any grounds for another country to board it and seize its passengers? (With a follow up: is there a sea route between Russia and Friendly Country X which doesn't pass through waters claimed by another country?)

icebraining 12y ago
if a ship is traveling through international waters, are there any grounds for another country to board it and seize its passengers? Legal grounds? Does it matter? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_flotilla_raid http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_flotilla_raid
- srean 12y ago
  Too bad that I can upvote this only once.
TeMPOraL 12y ago
> if a ship is traveling through international waters, are there any grounds for another country to board it and seize its passengers? Suddenly, pirates, out of fucking nowhere. EDIT: Seriously, I wouldn't be surprised if some "random" thing happened to Snowden if he tried to go by a boat. Just like Assange became an sex offender out of the blue the moment he seriously pissed off the US government.
- victorhooi 12y ago
  Well, not to put a fine point on it, but Assange was already known as a bit of a dick. I think the issue was, what was considered rape in Sweden was basically just being a misogynistic douche in other countries. However, he would have known this well before going into the country, it's not like they created a new law just for him. I doubt the US is so subtle as to use pirates. People seem to have these grand conspiracies about how the government is like a ninja...it's not. They will simply send the police around and arrest him. Seriously, why are they going to bother with cloak and daggers for? This isn't a Bond movie. They will simply arrest him, and charge him with espionage charges since...err..that's sort of what he did?
67726e 12y ago
The US Navy is probably the biggest problem. That and the navies of all of its allies.
- hadoukenio 12y ago
  The boldest move would be for Putin to let Snowden board a nuclear sub and let him go freely to his chosen destination, under the protection of the Russian navy.
  - ArtDev 12y ago
    Now that, is a super good idea. Pretty much the best way to travel under the radar.
  - meepmorp 12y ago
    If Putin's willing to go to that level of provocation, why bother with a sub? Sending him on a surface ship is easier, cheaper, and less of a security risk. It's not like the US is going to try to board a Russian military vessel.
    - hadoukenio 12y ago
      Planes are easier to ground (see what happened with Morales). The US wouldn't even be close to knowing where Russia's subs would be: http://thediplomat.com/2011/10/chinas-overhyped-submarine-threat/ > It was the US Navy’s biggest jolt in years. On October 26, 2006, a Chinese Song-class attack submarine quietly surfaced within nine miles of the aircraft carrier USS Kitty Hawk as the 80,000-ton-diplacement vessel sailed on a training exercise in the East China Sea between Japan and Taiwan. >The Song-class vessel, displacing 2,200 tons, was close enough to hit the Kitty Hawk with one of its 18 homing torpedoes. None of the carrier’s roughly dozen escorting warships detected the Song until it breached the surface. And: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqFVOL7mLd4#t=9m58s
      - meepmorp 12y ago
        I don't know what your point is.
jeffasinger 12y ago
As far as routes, Russia doesn't have the best access to the ocean. He'd definitely have to pass through waters claimed by nations not friendly towards him. The 3 best options are: Vladivostok, which is very close to Japan, and would be nearly impossible to not go through either South Korean or Japanese waters. Neither of which are friendly to him. Sevastopol, Which requires going through the Turkey, and then either through the straights of Gibraltar or Egypt. St Petersburg, Which requires passing through Denmark. If I were in his shoes, I'd probably try to charter a Jet coming out of Vladivostok. If that wasn't possible, I think I'd choose the Sevastopol/Gibraltar route by sea.