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how about argentina for example? the non aligned movement has at least 120 member states, you'd think that there are one or two states that don't exactly agree

how about argentina for example? the non aligned movement has at least 120 member states, you'd think that there are one or two states that don't exactly agree with US foreign policy, eh?

higherpurpose 12y ago
The problem is the US could try and stop his plane again when it passes above some US vassal country like UK, France, Spain, and so on. On the other hand, those countries would have to be pretty stupid to do that right now to Russia and force Putin's hand into a war (regardless of their chances of winning I think we can agree a war in Europe would be bad for all parties).
- skrause 12y ago
  Would he have to fly through Europe? Isn't a direct flight from the eastern end of Russia over the Pacific possible as well?
  - phantom784 12y ago
    A great circle rotue from eastern Russia to South America would fly over the US - probably the last thing Snowden wants to do. http://i.imgur.com/ScOhPcc.gif http://i.imgur.com/ScOhPcc.gif
- saalweachter 12y ago
  Is there this problem for a boat? Granted, a boat trip is longer, which is more time for things to (be made to) go wrong, but if a ship is traveling through international waters, are there any grounds for another country to board it and seize its passengers? (With a follow up: is there a sea route between Russia and Friendly Country X which doesn't pass through waters claimed by another country?)
  - icebraining 12y ago
    if a ship is traveling through international waters, are there any grounds for another country to board it and seize its passengers? Legal grounds? Does it matter? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_flotilla_raid http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_flotilla_raid
    - srean 12y ago
      Too bad that I can upvote this only once.
  - TeMPOraL 12y ago
    > if a ship is traveling through international waters, are there any grounds for another country to board it and seize its passengers? Suddenly, pirates, out of fucking nowhere. EDIT: Seriously, I wouldn't be surprised if some "random" thing happened to Snowden if he tried to go by a boat. Just like Assange became an sex offender out of the blue the moment he seriously pissed off the US government.
    - victorhooi 12y ago
      Well, not to put a fine point on it, but Assange was already known as a bit of a dick. I think the issue was, what was considered rape in Sweden was basically just being a misogynistic douche in other countries. However, he would have known this well before going into the country, it's not like they created a new law just for him. I doubt the US is so subtle as to use pirates. People seem to have these grand conspiracies about how the government is like a ninja...it's not. They will simply send the police around and arrest him. Seriously, why are they going to bother with cloak and daggers for? This isn't a Bond movie. They will simply arrest him, and charge him with espionage charges since...err..that's sort of what he did?
  - 67726e 12y ago
    The US Navy is probably the biggest problem. That and the navies of all of its allies.
tomp 12y ago
How would he get there? Not by plane; last year, Bolivian President's plane was forced to land in EU on suspicion that he was carrying Snowden on board. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evo_Morales_grounding_incident http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evo_Morales_grounding_incident
- SideburnsOfDoom 12y ago
  The US guessed that Snowden was on that plane, and guessed wrong. But it was a reasonable guess given that Snowden had been in Russia for a week and Evo Morales was talking about offering him asylum. It's harder to guess right when Snowden could (in theory) board any plane leaving Moscow on any day this year or next, or the year after that.
  - gpvos 12y ago
    The US is tracking him, so he has practically no chance on a normal passenger flight. His only chances are on flights with diplomatic immunity.
    - SideburnsOfDoom 12y ago
      > The US is tracking him, so he has practically no chance on a normal passenger flight Tracking his day-to-day movements, even if he should arrange to get to an airport in secret? Extraordinary. Do you have a link for that? What I meant was the has a much broader choice of flights and even airports now. The odds seem to more in his favour now, should he wish to move. Though actually, why would he? I don't see any advantage for Snowden from relocating to the same show, but in Venezuela or Argentina.
      - watwut 12y ago
        Why would tracking someones movements be an extraordinary achievement for CIA? And if he would travel under his own name, why should it be hard for them to know where and when did he booked a flight? Both tasks should be business as usual for such huge secret service.

how about argentina for example? the non aligned movement has at least 120 member states, you'd think that there are one or two states that don't exactly agree with US foreign policy, eh?

higherpurpose 12y ago

The problem is the US could try and stop his plane again when it passes above some US vassal country like UK, France, Spain, and so on. On the other hand, those countries would have to be pretty stupid to do that right now to Russia and force Putin's hand into a war (regardless of their chances of winning I think we can agree a war in Europe would be bad for all parties).

skrause 12y ago
Would he have to fly through Europe? Isn't a direct flight from the eastern end of Russia over the Pacific possible as well?
- phantom784 12y ago
  A great circle rotue from eastern Russia to South America would fly over the US - probably the last thing Snowden wants to do. http://i.imgur.com/ScOhPcc.gif http://i.imgur.com/ScOhPcc.gif
saalweachter 12y ago
Is there this problem for a boat? Granted, a boat trip is longer, which is more time for things to (be made to) go wrong, but if a ship is traveling through international waters, are there any grounds for another country to board it and seize its passengers? (With a follow up: is there a sea route between Russia and Friendly Country X which doesn't pass through waters claimed by another country?)
- icebraining 12y ago
  if a ship is traveling through international waters, are there any grounds for another country to board it and seize its passengers? Legal grounds? Does it matter? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_flotilla_raid http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_flotilla_raid
  - srean 12y ago
    Too bad that I can upvote this only once.
- TeMPOraL 12y ago
  > if a ship is traveling through international waters, are there any grounds for another country to board it and seize its passengers? Suddenly, pirates, out of fucking nowhere. EDIT: Seriously, I wouldn't be surprised if some "random" thing happened to Snowden if he tried to go by a boat. Just like Assange became an sex offender out of the blue the moment he seriously pissed off the US government.
  - victorhooi 12y ago
    Well, not to put a fine point on it, but Assange was already known as a bit of a dick. I think the issue was, what was considered rape in Sweden was basically just being a misogynistic douche in other countries. However, he would have known this well before going into the country, it's not like they created a new law just for him. I doubt the US is so subtle as to use pirates. People seem to have these grand conspiracies about how the government is like a ninja...it's not. They will simply send the police around and arrest him. Seriously, why are they going to bother with cloak and daggers for? This isn't a Bond movie. They will simply arrest him, and charge him with espionage charges since...err..that's sort of what he did?
- 67726e 12y ago
  The US Navy is probably the biggest problem. That and the navies of all of its allies.

tomp 12y ago

How would he get there? Not by plane; last year, Bolivian President's plane was forced to land in EU on suspicion that he was carrying Snowden on board. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evo_Morales_grounding_incident http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evo_Morales_grounding_incident

SideburnsOfDoom 12y ago
The US guessed that Snowden was on that plane, and guessed wrong. But it was a reasonable guess given that Snowden had been in Russia for a week and Evo Morales was talking about offering him asylum. It's harder to guess right when Snowden could (in theory) board any plane leaving Moscow on any day this year or next, or the year after that.
- gpvos 12y ago
  The US is tracking him, so he has practically no chance on a normal passenger flight. His only chances are on flights with diplomatic immunity.
  - SideburnsOfDoom 12y ago
    > The US is tracking him, so he has practically no chance on a normal passenger flight Tracking his day-to-day movements, even if he should arrange to get to an airport in secret? Extraordinary. Do you have a link for that? What I meant was the has a much broader choice of flights and even airports now. The odds seem to more in his favour now, should he wish to move. Though actually, why would he? I don't see any advantage for Snowden from relocating to the same show, but in Venezuela or Argentina.
    - watwut 12y ago
      Why would tracking someones movements be an extraordinary achievement for CIA? And if he would travel under his own name, why should it be hard for them to know where and when did he booked a flight? Both tasks should be business as usual for such huge secret service.