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Cue the mass exodus to other services that don't attempt to police content proactively.

by paraxisi 12y ago

onewaystreet 12y ago
And if any of those services ever get as big as twitch they will be forced to as well.
- wldcordeiro 12y ago
  Precisely, the problem isn't Twitch implementing this. It's the copyright system that forces them to do this.
  - superuser2 12y ago
    No, it really isn't. Under the DMCA they are free from liability if they just sit there and respond to DMCA requests as they come. Someone could set up a bot to send DMCA requests under the same algorithm, but they'd be guilty of perjury if they lied.
    - onewaystreet 12y ago
      That stops being realistic when you get to the size where you have thousands of DMCA requests coming in a day.
coralreef 12y ago
Won't happen, example: youtube.
- cataflam 12y ago
  YouTube didn't have much competition when it happened. Twitch is strong, but not as dominant as YouTube was. There exist alternative services (HitBox, Azubu,...).
  - coralreef 12y ago
    There wasn't much competition when Twitch.tv spawned from Justin.tv either. However, that's not the point. The point is the majority of the users are entrenched in one service. You can stream from whichever you want, but if the audience keeps going to twitch, you're stuck publishing at twitch.
    - cthor 12y ago
      The majority of Twitch users follow only a few streamers. If the streamers migrate, a substantial portion of their viewers will follow. Contrast with YouTube: most people view videos from a wide variety of uploaders. If one or two uploaders leave, the viewers will stay where they are.
minimaxir 12y ago
Some streamers have tried going to other services, but they lack the brand recognition. Chicken-and-egg once again.
dylz 12y ago
This doesn't exist because as soon as those grow enough, they will be forced to police content proactively.
forrestthewoods 12y ago
Until those services get popular and grow up like Twitch. Then they too will have to play by the big boy rules.
- jblow 12y ago
  Google bought Twitch. They are not an independent entity. This is Google doing this.
ffn 12y ago
Where would you go? Every centralized service will eventually run into this problem of contributory copyright infringement. If you truly want to change the playing field, free us from the shackles of copyright, and bring us to a new world of open creativity and sharing, your best bet is to invent some sort of exclusively peer-to-peer video sharing platform so centralized government and their dogs won't be able to kill the entire service by taking down one entity.
- cataflam 12y ago
  Eventually. At which point, there may be a move to yet another service. It has begun already actually, Hitbox is apparently getting a huge influx of new users [1], their site [2] is not responding. [1] https://twitter.com/hitboxliveHelp/status/497150137933000705 https://twitter.com/hitboxliveHelp/status/497150137933000705 [2] http://www.hitbox.tv/ http://www.hitbox.tv/

Cue the mass exodus to other services that don't attempt to police content proactively.

onewaystreet 12y ago

And if any of those services ever get as big as twitch they will be forced to as well.

wldcordeiro 12y ago
Precisely, the problem isn't Twitch implementing this. It's the copyright system that forces them to do this.
- superuser2 12y ago
  No, it really isn't. Under the DMCA they are free from liability if they just sit there and respond to DMCA requests as they come. Someone could set up a bot to send DMCA requests under the same algorithm, but they'd be guilty of perjury if they lied.
  - onewaystreet 12y ago
    That stops being realistic when you get to the size where you have thousands of DMCA requests coming in a day.

coralreef 12y ago

Won't happen, example: youtube.

cataflam 12y ago
YouTube didn't have much competition when it happened. Twitch is strong, but not as dominant as YouTube was. There exist alternative services (HitBox, Azubu,...).
- coralreef 12y ago
  There wasn't much competition when Twitch.tv spawned from Justin.tv either. However, that's not the point. The point is the majority of the users are entrenched in one service. You can stream from whichever you want, but if the audience keeps going to twitch, you're stuck publishing at twitch.
  - cthor 12y ago
    The majority of Twitch users follow only a few streamers. If the streamers migrate, a substantial portion of their viewers will follow. Contrast with YouTube: most people view videos from a wide variety of uploaders. If one or two uploaders leave, the viewers will stay where they are.

minimaxir 12y ago

Some streamers have tried going to other services, but they lack the brand recognition. Chicken-and-egg once again.

dylz 12y ago

This doesn't exist because as soon as those grow enough, they will be forced to police content proactively.

forrestthewoods 12y ago

Until those services get popular and grow up like Twitch. Then they too will have to play by the big boy rules.

jblow 12y ago
Google bought Twitch. They are not an independent entity. This is Google doing this.

ffn 12y ago

Where would you go? Every centralized service will eventually run into this problem of contributory copyright infringement. If you truly want to change the playing field, free us from the shackles of copyright, and bring us to a new world of open creativity and sharing, your best bet is to invent some sort of exclusively peer-to-peer video sharing platform so centralized government and their dogs won't be able to kill the entire service by taking down one entity.

cataflam 12y ago
Eventually. At which point, there may be a move to yet another service. It has begun already actually, Hitbox is apparently getting a huge influx of new users [1], their site [2] is not responding. [1] https://twitter.com/hitboxliveHelp/status/497150137933000705 https://twitter.com/hitboxliveHelp/status/497150137933000705 [2] http://www.hitbox.tv/ http://www.hitbox.tv/