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I just looked this up in the PubMed biomedical literature database and there aren't many studies that correlate the goitrogenic activity of cabbages, et al., to

I just looked this up in the PubMed biomedical literature database and there aren't many studies that correlate the goitrogenic activity of cabbages, et al., to human thyroid activity. What's the impact of having kale juice once a day for a year? What if we simply consume extra iodine? Send links to papers if you have any primary references.

kolev 12y ago
Well, a 16 oz bottle of juiced kale is a lot of kale! I've seen people having 2-3 of those a day. It's not precise science to know how much extra iodine to consume, I think. Raw kale is known for ages to make livestock sick. Either Dr. Fuhrman or Dr. Weil recommended that the best way to take full advantage of kale is to blend it, let it sit for 10 minutes, and then put it in a soup or another cooked meal.
- rosser 12y ago
  Going by the argument that kale makes livestock sick, humans should never consume garlic, or chocolate, because they're poisonous to dogs and cats. Different animals have different metabolisms.
  - kolev 12y ago
    Not that this is a PubMed article (which the crowd here takes as the only truth), but it's an interesting read nonetheless: http://huntgatherlove.com/content/just-kale-me-how-your-kale-habit-slowly-destroying-your-health-and-world http://huntgatherlove.com/content/just-kale-me-how-your-kale... Edit: Sorry, I liked to the wrong article! Again, I'm not saying you shouldn't eat kale - just that it's not justified or even scientifically correct to eat it raw! Here's the article I wanted to link to: http://commonhealth.wbur.org/2014/01/the-dark-side-of-kale-and-how-to-eat-around-it http://commonhealth.wbur.org/2014/01/the-dark-side-of-kale-a...
    - obastani 12y ago
      Did you read that article fully? It's a satire (see the last section)...
    - jessaustin 12y ago
      Did you actually read that article? Especially the last section, which contains this actually good advice: But when you see an article that demonizes a food, think about whether or not there are citations and follow those citations. Ask yourself whether they apply to human beings eating a diverse diet with adequete [sic] calories. Or whether they involve very high concentrations no human being eats, isolated chemicals, or preparations that no normal human would put on their plate. EDIT: Now that you've added an article, I recommend you read the first as preparation for reading the second with an appropriately critical mind.
    - maxerickson 12y ago
      Your new article links this article: http://commonhealth.wbur.org/2014/01/thyroid-doc-kale-problems-theoretical-but-in-reality-very-low-to-minuscule http://commonhealth.wbur.org/2014/01/thyroid-doc-kale-proble... The endocrinologist answering questions says Basically the goitrogens are challenges to the thyroid. But in the absence of iodine deficiency, substantial or prolonged ingestion of dietary goitrogens and lastly the absence of an underlying thyroid disorder, the risk in this country of having problems in this area are very, very low, almost minuscule. Again, that’s because the vast majority of people have adequate iodine levels to counteract the effect of goitrogens. So modest consumption doesn't seem like it is going to bother healthy people any.
- adrr 12y ago
  Doesn't this apply to everything? Anything consumed in excess will probably have negative effects. A balanced diet being the most optimal.
  - kolev 12y ago
    "Balanced" according to which methodology? To that vilifying saturated fats, for example, or the new that does the opposite, for example? When it comes to nutrition, there's no single source of truth!

kolev 12y ago

Well, a 16 oz bottle of juiced kale is a lot of kale! I've seen people having 2-3 of those a day. It's not precise science to know how much extra iodine to consume, I think. Raw kale is known for ages to make livestock sick. Either Dr. Fuhrman or Dr. Weil recommended that the best way to take full advantage of kale is to blend it, let it sit for 10 minutes, and then put it in a soup or another cooked meal.

rosser 12y ago
Going by the argument that kale makes livestock sick, humans should never consume garlic, or chocolate, because they're poisonous to dogs and cats. Different animals have different metabolisms.
- kolev 12y ago
  Not that this is a PubMed article (which the crowd here takes as the only truth), but it's an interesting read nonetheless: http://huntgatherlove.com/content/just-kale-me-how-your-kale-habit-slowly-destroying-your-health-and-world http://huntgatherlove.com/content/just-kale-me-how-your-kale... Edit: Sorry, I liked to the wrong article! Again, I'm not saying you shouldn't eat kale - just that it's not justified or even scientifically correct to eat it raw! Here's the article I wanted to link to: http://commonhealth.wbur.org/2014/01/the-dark-side-of-kale-and-how-to-eat-around-it http://commonhealth.wbur.org/2014/01/the-dark-side-of-kale-a...
  - obastani 12y ago
    Did you read that article fully? It's a satire (see the last section)...
  - jessaustin 12y ago
    Did you actually read that article? Especially the last section, which contains this actually good advice: But when you see an article that demonizes a food, think about whether or not there are citations and follow those citations. Ask yourself whether they apply to human beings eating a diverse diet with adequete [sic] calories. Or whether they involve very high concentrations no human being eats, isolated chemicals, or preparations that no normal human would put on their plate. EDIT: Now that you've added an article, I recommend you read the first as preparation for reading the second with an appropriately critical mind.
  - maxerickson 12y ago
    Your new article links this article: http://commonhealth.wbur.org/2014/01/thyroid-doc-kale-problems-theoretical-but-in-reality-very-low-to-minuscule http://commonhealth.wbur.org/2014/01/thyroid-doc-kale-proble... The endocrinologist answering questions says Basically the goitrogens are challenges to the thyroid. But in the absence of iodine deficiency, substantial or prolonged ingestion of dietary goitrogens and lastly the absence of an underlying thyroid disorder, the risk in this country of having problems in this area are very, very low, almost minuscule. Again, that’s because the vast majority of people have adequate iodine levels to counteract the effect of goitrogens. So modest consumption doesn't seem like it is going to bother healthy people any.
adrr 12y ago
Doesn't this apply to everything? Anything consumed in excess will probably have negative effects. A balanced diet being the most optimal.
- kolev 12y ago
  "Balanced" according to which methodology? To that vilifying saturated fats, for example, or the new that does the opposite, for example? When it comes to nutrition, there's no single source of truth!